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Old 03-05-2013, 06:37 PM   #3001
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I was asked to apply to this school. They told me the deputy head of department would be giving up the post at some point this academic year, either through choice or because of competency procedures, and they wanted an experienced teacher who could bed into the department and then take over the deputy role when the current post holder no longer held it.

He resigned his post two weeks ago. I went to see the head teacher to enquire about the role. We had a long conversation (over half an hour) which I won't bore you with but he told me he was going to advertise the role externally. He talked about mistakes having been made in the past when promoting internally (the current post holder being one example he cited) and said he needs to strengthen the department. Said he wasn't telling me not to apply and if I was the strongest candidate I would get the job but that he was hoping for a strong field of applicants. Also commented that there were "financial implications" if he appointed internally as he'd then have to advertise again for a straightforward teacher role (£600 per advert).

So, basically, don't get your hopes up love, you're only the reserve if we can't find something better.

The current post holder actually had a heart attack last summer and only recently came back to work so I've been doing his job since September for no extra pay thinking it was going to be my job and so worth getting used to the prodecures, etc.. Feel like a mug now. I could have applied elsewhere last year and got immediate promotion, but I liked the look of this school and the head of department is a friend of a friend and amazing, so I went for it on the promise of the promotion. Now I can't leave if (when?) I don't get said promotion as it would be the third school I'd left in four years and look dodgy on my CV.
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Old 03-05-2013, 06:48 PM   #3003
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I was asked to apply to this school. They told me the deputy head of department would be giving up the post at some point this academic year, either through choice or because of competency procedures, and they wanted an experienced teacher who could bed into the department and then take over the deputy role when the current post holder no longer held it.

He resigned his post two weeks ago. I went to see the head teacher to enquire about the role. We had a long conversation (over half an hour) which I won't bore you with but he told me he was going to advertise the role externally. He talked about mistakes having been made in the past when promoting internally (the current post holder being one example he cited) and said he needs to strengthen the department. Said he wasn't telling me not to apply and if I was the strongest candidate I would get the job but that he was hoping for a strong field of applicants. Also commented that there were "financial implications" if he appointed internally as he'd then have to advertise again for a straightforward teacher role (£600 per advert).

So, basically, don't get your hopes up love, you're only the reserve if we can't find something better.

The current post holder actually had a heart attack last summer and only recently came back to work so I've been doing his job since September for no extra pay thinking it was going to be my job and so worth getting used to the prodecures, etc.. Feel like a mug now. I could have applied elsewhere last year and got immediate promotion, but I liked the look of this school and the head of department is a friend of a friend and amazing, so I went for it on the promise of the promotion. Now I can't leave if (when?) I don't get said promotion as it would be the third school I'd left in four years and look dodgy on my CV.
Start looking now and see if you can work something out if they will..
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Old 03-05-2013, 06:48 PM   #3004
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I was asked to apply to this school. They told me the deputy head of department would be giving up the post at some point this academic year, either through choice or because of competency procedures, and they wanted an experienced teacher who could bed into the department and then take over the deputy role when the current post holder no longer held it.

He resigned his post two weeks ago. I went to see the head teacher to enquire about the role. We had a long conversation (over half an hour) which I won't bore you with but he told me he was going to advertise the role externally. He talked about mistakes having been made in the past when promoting internally (the current post holder being one example he cited) and said he needs to strengthen the department. Said he wasn't telling me not to apply and if I was the strongest candidate I would get the job but that he was hoping for a strong field of applicants. Also commented that there were "financial implications" if he appointed internally as he'd then have to advertise again for a straightforward teacher role (£600 per advert).

So, basically, don't get your hopes up love, you're only the reserve if we can't find something better.

The current post holder actually had a heart attack last summer and only recently came back to work so I've been doing his job since September for no extra pay thinking it was going to be my job and so worth getting used to the prodecures, etc.. Feel like a mug now. I could have applied elsewhere last year and got immediate promotion, but I liked the look of this school and the head of department is a friend of a friend and amazing, so I went for it on the promise of the promotion. Now I can't leave if (when?) I don't get said promotion as it would be the third school I'd left in four years and look dodgy on my CV.
Ugh. That doth suck. Mojo and cheers.

I too remember being heavily encouraged to apply for the tenure track version of my job. Only to find out that they intended to appoint a woman all along, preferably one with expertise on Russia and NGOs. They got their mark, but screwed me over (at a really bad time with my ex in crisis).

Hope your case isn't that bad and that you have a legitimate shot. I wouldn't give up on it if you still like the head of dept. Meanwhile lobby everyone else in the decisionmaking circle and dazzle them with your expertise / get stuff done attitude. It's all about building minimum winning coalitions.

If they gripe about the £600 per advert, point out that your training for free for months saved them well beyond that, and so will hiring the right person to succeed you.

I wouldn't indulge my acid inclinations to express being less than moved by the costs of recruitment that every other organization out there has to go through.
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Old 03-05-2013, 06:51 PM   #3005
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600 is a smokin deal for a recruitment, especially for a deputy-level post. Thats a crappy reason to throw out there.
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That's not for recruitment, that's just to place an ad in the Times Educational Supplement. It's incredibly expensive to advertise teaching posts in comparison to private sector roles.
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Old 03-05-2013, 06:55 PM   #3007
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I'm still not moved / shedding tears.

Let alone questions of why use the Times Educational Supplemental versus other channels...
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The TES has the monopoly. No teacher goes anywhere else when they're looking to change jobs.
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Old 03-05-2013, 06:57 PM   #3009
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That's not for recruitment, that's just to place an ad in the Times Educational Supplement. It's incredibly expensive to advertise teaching posts in comparison to private sector roles.
Right, but compared to a recruitment fee they'll pay to bring in candidates with YOUR qualifications, to interview for the job you want, 600 is a bargain.
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What recruitment fee?
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Old 03-05-2013, 07:09 PM   #3011
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What recruitment fee?
If an organization hires a recruiter to fill a position, the recruiter doesn't work for free. A successful placement can result in as much as a $10,000 fee.
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I don't find my worker to be very intelligent. Maybe I have unrealistic expectations, but this is pathetic how bad it has been this month. Hopefully next month he will improve... Gotta pick up a ton of slack again. *sigh*
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Old 03-06-2013, 07:14 AM   #3013
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If an organization hires a recruiter to fill a position, the recruiter doesn't work for free. A successful placement can result in as much as a $10,000 fee.
They may not even hire a recruiter, but it's still that expensive to advertise, filter, interview, background check, and onboard a deputy-level candidate.

In short, Mel, it sucks that they gave you the reasons they did, the cost saving bit is insultory to you and Im sorry you're having to deal with it.
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Old 03-06-2013, 09:03 AM   #3014
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Le sigh. The vaporizer we had running for a week grew mold behind our bed. We need a new set likely and ill have to clean the wall....need a bed frame also so this wont happen again....now where did I put that money tree....
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Le sigh. The vaporizer we had running for a week grew mold behind our bed. We need a new set likely and ill have to clean the wall....need a bed frame also so this wont happen again....now where did I put that money tree....
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Yeah....no.

Ill just convince BP to go to Ikea on our way home next week with a new mattress and bed frame. Maybe.
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If an organization hires a recruiter to fill a position, the recruiter doesn't work for free. A successful placement can result in as much as a $10,000 fee.
I work in a state school. No state school can afford that kind of money or would ever hire a recruiter. The advert goes in the TES, the head's PA collates the applications, the senior leadership team (head, his deputies and assistants) shortlist and interview. To my knowledge, not even the private sector use recruiters.

C7 - deputy head of department is not a high ranking position. It's the first rung on the promotional ladder. Heads of department are what's known as "middle leaders"; their seconds are nothing. The role doesn't even have any additional non-contact time allocated.
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Feel like someone hit me in the neck with a crowbar and smashed a pie in my face. Bad timing to be sick. Dammit.
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Good, thanks to high-magnitude assists from BHK and Kindness.

"Backline" at this club doesnt include amplifier, a fact I only discovered on like Monday, and I sold my GK. So I had to scramble, and thankfully Kate let me use her Lakland, and car, so I could get the amp from Kindness and not have to double hoodride home after work.

A lot of stress for a 30 min unpaid set, and I wasnt feeling super great yesterday, guess I had to pay for it today. Ugh.
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Good, thanks to high-magnitude assists from BHK and Kindness.

"Backline" at this club doesnt include amplifier, a fact I only discovered on like Monday, and I sold my GK. So I had to scramble, and thankfully Kate let me use her Lakland, and car, so I could get the amp from Kindness and not have to double hoodride home after work.

A lot of stress for a 30 min unpaid set, and I wasnt feeling super great yesterday, guess I had to pay for it today. Ugh.
I was going to try to make it last night but found out I need a specific outfit for some charity event I'm volunteering at on Friday and last night was the only chance I had to go get it.

Glad it went well though.
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I was going to try to make it last night but found out I need a specific outfit for some charity event I'm volunteering at on Friday and last night was the only chance I had to go get it.

Glad it went well though.
No worries at all. I think our bands would fit nicely togetheron a bill, maybe we can get a show together late spring or something.
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"Backline" at this club doesnt include amplifier, a fact I only discovered on like Monday, and I sold my GK. So I had to scramble, and thankfully Kate let me use her Lakland, and car, so I could get the amp from Kindness and not have to double hoodride home after work.

A lot of stress for a 30 min unpaid set, and I wasnt feeling super great yesterday, guess I had to pay for it today. Ugh.
I KNEW IT. I saw the pic Ralph posted and was like, "... what the, is that Kate's axe??" but figured no why would he be using hers, maybe I just didn't see that bass when I was there...
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Dude, you guys sounded good. You and the drummer so need to do something heavier.

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Dude, you guys sounded good. You and the drummer so need to do something heavier.



Goung with the flow right now, we found a keys/guitarist, he was there last night. Talked to him outside after the set, he wants to do some funk as well.
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Goung with the flow right now, we found a keys/guitarist, he was there last night. Talked to him outside after the set, he wants to do some funk as well.
They guy after you was really good, except for his weird, greasy, wankery friend. It made no sense. You had one guy on acoustic, putting down some good riffs with some powerful vocals and his buddy just standing next to him fiddley twiddling around on a hollowbody....
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Old 03-08-2013, 12:44 AM   #3030
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Tonight, I finally got around to taking down all the family and wedding related pictures in my house. It took a couple glasses of wine, a bunch of good beer, and a shit ton load of crappy beer for me to feel up to it.

I'm not sure if I'll ever be ok with this, I'll probably just get used to it.
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