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Old 11-06-2014, 10:47 AM   #31
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Mean Joe Biden!
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Old 11-06-2014, 10:50 AM   #32
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Disagree on the "no longer the media darling" part. She just had the misfortune of hitting the same time as the Mega-Obama Train pulled into town. She's gotten good press ever since.
Disagree. She can't even discuss "you didn't build that" in a way that motivates the base. She trips over herself a lot.

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I don't know, but it is only 2014. Please tell me how many front runners 2 years out have been the nominees 2 years later. Speaking of Clinton, most people wondered who the hell he was in the Fall of 1991.
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Old 11-06-2014, 11:04 AM   #34
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I don't know, but it is only 2014. Please tell me how many front runners 2 years out have been the nominees 2 years later.
Truth. I hope someone comes out of the woodwork, because nobody inspires me at the moment, and honestly, most frighten me.
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Old 11-06-2014, 11:06 AM   #35
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Old 11-06-2014, 11:24 AM   #36
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Truth. I hope someone comes out of the woodwork, because nobody inspires me at the moment, and honestly, most frighten me.
Several of them on both sides inspire me........to move to Haiti.
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Old 11-07-2014, 12:20 PM   #38
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Unless Obama's approval ratings jump soon, I don't see a Democrat winning.

When was the last time a President succeeded an unpopular two-term President from the same party?
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Old 11-07-2014, 12:22 PM   #39
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When was the last time a black guy with an unusual name got elected as president...twice? I don't think looking back at historical precedent means much nowadays on the whole.
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Unless Obama's approval ratings jump soon, I don't see a Democrat winning.

When was the last time a President succeeded an unpopular two-term President from the same party?
In principle, I agree with you. However, the GOP hasn't run a decent candidate in god knows how long. They have to come up with someone viable. That seems to be a big problem for them.

Until they shed the right wing religious element of the party and stop putting up candidates that are focusing on gay marriage, abortion, intelligent design, and whatever other stupid moral issues they harp on, they are going to lose.

People have lost their patience for that bullshit.

Which is okay to be honest. I don't want to see them (or the dems for that matter) hold both houses of congress and the white house. That's when bad shit happens.
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Old 11-07-2014, 12:38 PM   #41
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If I had to predict, I say Romney beats Clinton
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Old 11-07-2014, 12:40 PM   #42
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I think if I had to predict I'd say Clinton beats Ryan.
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Old 11-07-2014, 12:47 PM   #43
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Old 11-07-2014, 01:09 PM   #44
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When people are tired of what they've gotten over the last 8 years, they'll vote for "change." The candidate best suited to be that is the one from the other party. And the best candidate from any party is a "rock star."

After seeing so much of Romney during the last 2 elections, I can't see Romney being that.

I see Paul Ryan as a potential rock star for sure. He's young and handsome. His eyes are just dreamy. And he's doing everything he should be doing right now, writing a book, talking about solutions, saying he's not planning on running right now, appearing to be loyal to Romney and to his family.

So I'll quickly amend my prediction: Ryan over Clinton
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I would like to see a true left wing candidate. I'm tired of choosing between right of center and far right of center.
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In principle, I agree with you. However, the GOP hasn't run a decent candidate in god knows how long. They have to come up with someone viable. That seems to be a big problem for them.

Until they shed the right wing religious element of the party and stop putting up candidates that are focusing on gay marriage, abortion, intelligent design, and whatever other stupid moral issues they harp on, they are going to lose.

People have lost their patience for that bullshit.
The GOP moved quite a bit to the center this last go round. We saw far less of the culture war crap we saw in 2012.
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Old 11-07-2014, 02:06 PM   #47
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Old 11-07-2014, 03:16 PM   #48
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Old 11-07-2014, 03:21 PM   #50
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The GOP moved quite a bit to the center this last go round. We saw far less of the culture war crap we saw in 2012.
Only out of necessity. GOP needs to get Jesus and legislated morality out of it's shtick to win, I think after 8 years of beat downs they finally realize that. In the real world nobody cares who's fucking/marrying who and what they are smoking at home. Similarly the Dem that can distance themselves the furthest from Obamacare and socialistic programs of the DNC will stand the best chance in 16, sadly I don't think either party plans to restrain itself in the near future so we will probably see more nutjobs with wack assed platforms on the ballot come 2016.
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Old 11-07-2014, 04:25 PM   #51
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Only out of necessity. GOP needs to get Jesus and legislated morality out of it's shtick to win, I think after 8 years of beat downs they finally realize that. ...
I'm not sure. The Tea Party got usurped by the religious right. It would be nice if the Libertarians who generally vote republican would stick with it and try to pull the party their way.
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feel like she has been talking at them forever. . . . She is a dull, grating, inauthentic, over-eager, insipid elitist with ideological blinders yet no particular vision


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The Democrats should totally listen to George Will when considering their 2016 nominee. He clearly wants whats best for them and if Hilary Clinton was the best person for the job, you can bet that he'd sing her praises.
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Unless Obama's approval ratings jump soon, I don't see a Democrat winning. When was the last time a President succeeded an unpopular two-term President from the same party?
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When was the last time a black guy with an unusual name got elected as president.
I believe Obama strongly shows the trend I'm basing my prediction on. Overall, belonging to the non-incumbant party trumped any voter bias towards his race and/or name.

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Neither do predictions about elections that are 2 years away.
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"The last time voters awarded a party a third consecutive presidential term was 1988, when George Herbert Walker Bush’s candidacy could be construed as promising something like a third Reagan term. A Clinton candidacy make sense if, but only if, in 24 months voters will be thinking: Let’s have a third Obama term."



I believe it will be a great challenge for any Democrat to be perceived as anything but a "third Obama term."

Imo, this is why one party doesn't often get a third consecutive term. If they do it's because the two-termer was still popular at the end of their second term (i.e., Reagan 1988).
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If I were a Democrat, and thought that Democrats were supposed to stand for what they say they stand for, I would look at Bill's administration as one long betrayal.

I would be worried that Hillary would be the same.

But, Bill's legacy appears to have been scrubbed properly by marketing gurus, and when he appears, Democrats just swoon.
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If I were a Democrat, and thought that Democrats were supposed to stand for what they say they stand for, I would look at Bill's administration as one long betrayal.

I would be worried that Hillary would be the same.

But, Bill's legacy appears to have been scrubbed properly by marketing gurus, and when he appears, Democrats just swoon.
He was a democrat for the first 2 years of his administration.
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If I were a Democrat, and thought that Democrats were supposed to stand for what they say they stand for, I would look at Bill's administration as one long betrayal.
Can you divulge a few more details?
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