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Old 02-08-2012, 07:14 AM   #1
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Thumbs down You have to be a real sociopath to become a cop...

How is this kind of stuff not at the front of everyone's mind?

Corrupt thugs hired to "serve and protect"?

America is spiraling down the drain now that the technology is there to "lift the veil" that's been covering people's eyes for the last 225 years!

I grew up loving America and respecting the police. Man, was i fooled.



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Old 02-08-2012, 07:23 AM   #2
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There are asshole cops just like there are assholes in every profession...and there is certain type of jerk that can gravitate toward that job, we've all encountered them. However, I maintain the by far the majority of cops are good folks. I know too many to say otherwise.
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Old 02-08-2012, 07:25 AM   #3
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There are asshole cops just like there are assholes in every profession...and there is certain type of jerk that can gravitate toward that job, we've all encountered them. However, I maintain the by far the majority of cops are good folks. I know too many to say otherwise.
Assholes in IT or real estate aren't beating people.

That's a ridiculous justification.

Cops should be held to a higher standard.
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Old 02-08-2012, 07:57 AM   #4
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Even most "good cops" turn a blind eye to corruption and will side with a fellow officer to the point of perjury.


I don't have a whole lot of use for the police, but they are a necessary evil in the world.
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Old 02-08-2012, 07:59 AM   #5
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The media hypes , we don't know the situations in all of those clips , some of them the cops did actually do their jobs even if it meant someone dies . The media is very good at looping a clip to make it look worse , they do that crap all the time . Yeah the U.S. has it's problems we all know this but there are good people in the system trying to improve things , as well as I'm sure people trying to line their pockets and controlling the "Freedom" we have .
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NWA tried to tell folks this 20 some years ago!
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Old 02-08-2012, 08:02 AM   #7
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That's a ridiculous justification.
What was Bob trying to justify?
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Cops should be held to a higher standard.
Many people who gravitate toward that job wouldn't measure up mentally or emotionally.
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Old 02-08-2012, 08:17 AM   #9
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The majority of people who gravitate toward that job wouldn't measure up mentally or emotionally.
it's a real conundrum!

what's the solution?
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Old 02-08-2012, 08:25 AM   #10
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America is spiraling down the drain now that the technology is there to "lift the veil" that's been covering people's eyes for the last 225 years!

I grew up loving America and respecting the police. Man, was i fooled.
What does America have to do with a sweeping generalization of cops?

I agree in part though. I've long thought that police forces are too heavily staffed and equipped. In my area I see no less than 5 cops on my way to and from work, each in brand new SUV's with all the latest equipment. Most of them are pulling people over, setting up speed traps, watching for 1-week expired tags, etc. Their only purpose is to write tickets to the people who are making their paychecks, and this has been the case in the last several areas I've lived. Police forces have become a money-making force for the city/county, much like speed cameras, and I'm pretty tired of it. I've been pulled over by a few cops who were total dickheads when I hadn't done anything other than forget to repay my registration, but they can get away with it because they're doing what the department (and the city) wants, and they'll be $120 richer.

Cops should exist to protect us from harm and help the community (block off accidents, help at large events, etc.), not to serve as a political or monetary piece in the system.
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Old 02-08-2012, 08:38 AM   #11
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it's a real conundrum!

what's the solution?
Higher education standards might help. You don't really need much more than a high school education to be an officer in most departments. I'm not saying this is the golden fix, but I'd like to see better schooling for the people who walk around with the guns.

I was a criminal justice major and work with the police on a regular basis. Most of them are pretty good guys. But there's a lot I've met that come across as just plain stupid and you think, "this guy has a gun and has to make judgment calls in a split second?"

Then again, a lot of these guys aren't highly paid. A lot of these jobs start at 30K. So it's hard to attract better educated people.

I don't have any numbers and I'm not sure there's any way to measure this, but I'd like to believe the people in this video represent the vast minority of officers who abuse their authority.
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Old 02-08-2012, 08:40 AM   #12
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Their only purpose is to write tickets to the people who are making their paychecks, and this has been the case in the last several areas I've lived. Police forces have become a money-making force for the city/county, much like speed cameras, and I'm pretty tired of it.

Cops should exist to protect us from harm and help the community (block off accidents, help at large events, etc.), not to serve as a political or monetary piece in the system.
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Old 02-08-2012, 08:43 AM   #13
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I also want to add that my first job out of school was working at a max security prison for juveniles. If they got out of hand, you had to restrain them from hurting a) you; b) another resident and c) themselves. We were trained to do it as safely as possible. And because they were kids, we had to be extra cautious. And the camera was always on us.

I will say, that it often looks rougher than it really is. You get a squirrely 140 pound kid trying to fight and resist and you're trying to get him on his stomach and cuffed and it is not easy. Now imagine a full grown man.

The examples in this video are obviously way over the line. But people do need to keep in mind that the person in question is not always that cooperative and the police are justified in doing what they need to do in order to keep the situation as safe as possible. Again, this is not justifying abuse, but simply saying that getting someone cuffed who's fighting against you is not some cutesy little cupcake thing. It's essentially a fight (without you swinging).
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I'm more concerned with the emotional intelligence they possess as opposed to any degree.
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It seems to me that the average speed trap jockey should just have a radio, a can of pepper spray and a Ford Fiesta.

In order to carry a gun and apprehend suspects, they should have a higher level of education as well as recurring training on how not to be a fuckass.
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Agreed. And I really don't know how they screen for that. Often times it's hard to judge how someone's going to react under intense stress of a situation until unfortunately it's too late.
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Old 02-08-2012, 08:46 AM   #17
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The examples in this video are obviously way over the line. But people do need to keep in mind that the person in question is not always that cooperative and the police are justified in doing what they need to do in order to keep the situation as safe as possible. Again, this is not justifying abuse, but simply saying that getting someone cuffed who's fighting against you is not some cutesy little cupcake thing. It's essentially a fight (without you swinging).

I think most people get that, but it's unaccptable to see a cop beating on someone who is already in handcuffs. If not for the badge, that'd be a felony.
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Old 02-08-2012, 08:46 AM   #18
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I remember sitting on the beach in cartagena columbia. I watched about a dozen cops armed with billy clubs jump a guy sitting on a picnic table and completely wear his ass out. The guy never made any kind of move whatsoever. Pointing the finger at American cops is kinda harsh. It just seems more evident because Americans are all armed with phones that shoot video now, and we are not afraid to film cops at their worst.
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Old 02-08-2012, 08:48 AM   #19
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I remember sitting on the beach in cartagena columbia. I watched about a dozen cops armed with billy clubs jump a guy sitting on a picnic table and completely wear his ass out. The guy never made any kind of move whatsoever. Pointing the finger at American cops is kinda harsh. It just seems more evident because Americans are all armed with phones that shoot video now, and we are not afraid to film cops at their worst.
I think that's a weekly show they put on in Cartegena to scare tourists, as I saw the same thing a couple of times while I was there. I also saw the local police storm a club I was in with guns drawn. That shit was scary.

Americans cops definitely aren't the worst in the world, but they should be the best in the world by a huge margin.
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I had a Mexican co-worker many years back who said that the police in Mexico are the worst he's seen corruption-wise. I don't believe it's explicitly an "American cop" problem by any stretch. Give some people a badge and some authority and there's no limit to what they'll try to get away with just because they can.

I do agree that cops should be held to higher standards if they're going to be toting a gun around and responsible for making split-second decisions.

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It seems to me that the average speed trap jockey should just have a radio, a can of pepper spray and a Ford Fiesta.

In order to carry a gun and apprehend suspects, they should have a higher level of education as well as recurring training on how not to be a fuckass.
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Its like supporting troops but disagreeing with the war. I think most cops are good people , they do a job that requires them to enforce some laws and quotas that are to make money. Thank goodness we have video available now to keep things more even when there is an issue.
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What does America have to do with a sweeping generalization of cops?

I agree in part though. I've long thought that police forces are too heavily staffed and equipped. In my area I see no less than 5 cops on my way to and from work, each in brand new SUV's with all the latest equipment. Most of them are pulling people over, setting up speed traps, watching for 1-week expired tags, etc. Their only purpose is to write tickets to the people who are making their paychecks, and this has been the case in the last several areas I've lived. Police forces have become a money-making force for the city/county, much like speed cameras, and I'm pretty tired of it. I've been pulled over by a few cops who were total dickheads when I hadn't done anything other than forget to repay my registration, but they can get away with it because they're doing what the department (and the city) wants, and they'll be $120 richer.

Cops should exist to protect us from harm and help the community (block off accidents, help at large events, etc.), not to serve as a political or monetary piece in the system.
In some states , the state is liable for illegal motorist , and if you are hit by one of these illegal motorist you might have to sue the state to get compensation or reimbursement . I personally am for traffic cops pulling over illegal motorist all day long , everyday , even if it's you
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And I'm personally not, whether it's me or someone else. If the city is needing money that badly I'd rather them just charge me a few percent more in my taxes and leave me alone.

If a cop is patrolling and sees some schmuck doing 120 through a school zone, absolutely pull his ass over. Setting up a ticket-trap looking for tags that just expired or people going 5mph over the speed limit (and I see this daily/monthly)? Sorry, no. You know what would REALLY help the city have more money? Not buying a brand new fleet of police cars every other year and cutting the police staffing in half... Now THAT would save some money.

Do you know how many cops I see setting up speed traps or loitering on a corner when I go downtown? None. You know why? Because they're real cops who actually have shit to do and serve a purpose to society.
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Its like supporting troops but disagreeing with the war. I think most cops are people , they do a job that requires them to enforce some laws and quotas that are to make money. Thank goodness we have video available now to keep things more even when there is an issue.
I was going to compare it to the Armed Forces too. Most people go into military service to get a good job, or for training in some skill. Some join out of a sincere desire to serve their country, but sadly, a segment joins cause they want free reign to kick asses. This occurs law enforcement too, but I'd be willing to bet the percentage is higher. if roughly 1 of every 100 military persons is in that last category, I'd suspect the number of Cops in that last category is more like 1 out of every 30.

I'd also suspect that ratio becomes more like 1 in 15 when you add in Special forces (not military, Police special forces like SWAT or Gang units, DEA, FBI, etc.)

It's a shame really. A lot of the same things that make you a good cop, will also make you a bad one!
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What does America have to do with a sweeping generalization of cops?
Nothing. It's fun to bash an easy target. Which you prove in the rest of your post.

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I agree in part though. I've long thought that police forces are too heavily staffed and equipped.
That's a sweeping generalization.


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In my area I see no less than 5 cops on my way to and from work, each in brand new SUV's with all the latest equipment. Most of them are pulling people over, setting up speed traps, watching for 1-week expired tags, etc.
In other words they are doing their jobs? What does the quality of equipment have to do with anything? Would you feel better if they were patrolling in '72 Chevys?

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Their only purpose is to write tickets to the people who are making their paychecks, and this has been the case in the last several areas I've lived.
What in your opinion should they be doing instead?


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I've been pulled over by a few cops who were total dickheads when I hadn't done anything other than forget to repay my registration, but they can get away with it because they're doing what the department (and the city) wants, and they'll be $120 richer.
Did you just whine that you got a ticket for something that was well within your own power to prevent?

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Cops should exist to protect us from harm and help the community (block off accidents, help at large events, etc.), not to serve as a political or monetary piece in the system.
So they do not block off accidents and/or help at large events?

Or maybe one of the tickets they just wrote to some a-hole that was driving like an idiot prevented an accident from happening in the first place. (I know that can't be proven, just sayin)

And it is not the job of any police force to protect you or anyone else from harm. It is not even possible to prevent most crimes before they happen.

That's a job for Spiderman.
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Old 02-08-2012, 09:45 AM   #28
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I have never had a problem with a LEO. I don't dress like a thug, I don't hang out in shady places in the middle of the night, and I am respectful to their situation. If they tell me to sit down. I sit down. I don't mouth off, I don't threaten them, I don't make sudden movements, I don't reach under the seat of my car at a traffic stop, I don't reach under my jacket, and I don't keep walking when told to stop.

Maybe we need a smarter, more educated level of thugs that understand this... it's that simple. Don't make yourself a target and you won't have a problem.

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