It if was 1965????

[jnbphish@email.com]

Out of curiosity what bass rig would be considered the norm or a
"standard" for

a) Blues Bands

b) The "Motown Sound"

Not for studio use, working bands.



Thanks for any input.

[BW]

On May 7, 2:57 pm, jnbph...@email.com wrote:
> Out of curiosity what bass rig would be considered the norm or a
> "standard" for
>
> a) Blues Bands
>
> b) The "Motown Sound"
>
> Not for studio use, working bands.
>
> Thanks for any input.


Wildly guessing, 'cause it's work to remember what I had for breakfast
yesterday, I'd say that prior to August 16, 1964, the ampeg B15N,
although not loud, was the amp to have. After that date, Vox.

[Ron Cole]

I used a 1965 Fender Showman, with a twin 15" JBL D-140's, it had a ton of
power and a very usable tone. I wish I still had it :o(

Ron


<jnbphish@email.com> wrote in message
news:1178564250.077026.205190@h2g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
> Out of curiosity what bass rig would be considered the norm or a
> "standard" for
>
> a) Blues Bands
>
> b) The "Motown Sound"
>
> Not for studio use, working bands.
>
>
>
> Thanks for any input.
>

[tom]

<jnbphish@email.com> wrote in message
news:1178564250.077026.205190@h2g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
> Out of curiosity what bass rig would be considered the norm or a
> "standard" for
>
> a) Blues Bands
>
> b) The "Motown Sound"
>
> Not for studio use, working bands.
>
>
>
> Thanks for any input.

I started out with a Fender Bassman and later upgraded to a Fender Dual
Showman. I remember seeing more Fenders than Ampegs on stage back then.

[Fletch]

On May 7, 11:57 am, jnbph...@email.com wrote:
> Out of curiosity what bass rig would be considered the norm or a
> "standard" for
>
> a) Blues Bands
>
> b) The "Motown Sound"
>
> Not for studio use, working bands.
>
> Thanks for any input.


Well, Fender Bassman or Dual Showman amps with a 2-15 cabinet loaded
with JBL D130's or D140's was normal. Ameg's B15 Portaflex was used;
Kustom's bass rig, tuck and rolled, was popular.

The bass would be a P or J model from Fender.

Talent was extra.

--Fletch

[BW]

On May 7, 5:37 pm, Fletch <geoffarn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 7, 11:57 am, jnbph...@email.com wrote:
>
> > Out of curiosity what bass rig would be considered the norm or a
> > "standard" for
>
> > a) Blues Bands
>
> > b) The "Motown Sound"
>
> > Not for studio use, working bands.
>
> > Thanks for any input.
>
> Well, Fender Bassman or Dual Showman amps with a 2-15 cabinet loaded
> with JBL D130's or D140's was normal. Ameg's B15 Portaflex was used;
> Kustom's bass rig, tuck and rolled, was popular.
>
> The bass would be a P or J model from Fender.
>
> Talent was extra.
>
> --Fletch

You guys have spurred some memories, and you're right - the Fender
Bassman was more popular than the B15.

[Pt]

On May 7, 1:57 pm, jnbph...@email.com wrote:
> Out of curiosity what bass rig would be considered the norm or a
> "standard" for
>
> a) Blues Bands
>
> b) The "Motown Sound"
>
> Not for studio use, working bands.
>
> Thanks for any input.


Typically I'd say that many bands in those days played a Fender bass
through a Kustom or other padded amp.
Fender bass being a P bass.

Pt

[Mike Rieves]

"Pt" <peatea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1178580940.079557.158240@h2g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
> On May 7, 1:57 pm, jnbph...@email.com wrote:
>> Out of curiosity what bass rig would be considered the norm or a
>> "standard" for
>>
>> a) Blues Bands
>>
>> b) The "Motown Sound"
>>
>> Not for studio use, working bands.
>>
>> Thanks for any input.
>
>
> Typically I'd say that many bands in those days played a Fender bass
> through a Kustom or other padded amp.
> Fender bass being a P bass.
>

Fender Bassman or Dual Showman if you could afford it, Kustom if you
couldn't. Kustom amps were a lot cheaper than Fender, and you could get a
really good deal if you bought all Kustom amps and PA system. Around here
the P-Bass was very popular, though a few bands were playing J-Basses or
Ricks. There are some pics here that show some of the groups around
Nashville with their instruments:
http://nashlinks.com/shadows.htm, http://nashlinks.com/sixties.htm.
You'll notice a young Jimi Hendrix on the second page.

[Derek Tearne]

Mike Rieves <mriev@hotspam.com> wrote:

> "Pt" <peatea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1178580940.079557.158240@h2g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...

> > Typically I'd say that many bands in those days played a Fender bass
> > through a Kustom or other padded amp.
> > Fender bass being a P bass.
>
> Fender Bassman or Dual Showman if you could afford it, Kustom if you
> couldn't. Kustom amps were a lot cheaper than Fender, and you could get a
> really good deal if you bought all Kustom amps and PA system.

You guys were playing through Kustom amps and cabs in 1965?

Can I borrow your time machines?

http://www.kustom.com/company/history.asp

Oh, and check this out http://www.fender-amp.com/timeline.asp - the dual
showman was apparently introduced in 1968.

--- Derek

--
Derek Tearne - derek@url.co.nz
Many Hands - Trans Cultural Music from Aotearoa/New Zealand
http://www.manyhands.co.nz/

[Brian Running]

> You guys were playing through Kustom amps and cabs in 1965?
>
> Can I borrow your time machines?
>
> http://www.kustom.com/company/history.asp
>
> Oh, and check this out http://www.fender-amp.com/timeline.asp - the dual
> showman was apparently introduced in 1968.

Oh fer cryin' out loud, Derek. Is this really necessary? Do you think
the OP really cares if they are off by a year? Could you even say
anything if it weren't for Google?

[Ron Cole]

Hi Derek

Please don't confuse a "Dual-Showman" with a " Showman " and a cabinet that
had 2 15" JBL's ( I took the tone-ring baffle out and installed a 2 - 15"
baffle in and loaded it with JBL's - it was a tight fit to be sure ). Now I
can't speak to Kustoms at that time, but did love the sparkle roll & tuck,
it would've looked great in my 57 Chevy :o)

Ron


"Derek Tearne" <derek@url.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1hxtkum.1blowmuay4nhgN%derek@url.co.nz...
> Mike Rieves <mriev@hotspam.com> wrote:
>
>> "Pt" <peatea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1178580940.079557.158240@h2g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
>
>> > Typically I'd say that many bands in those days played a Fender bass
>> > through a Kustom or other padded amp.
>> > Fender bass being a P bass.
>>
>> Fender Bassman or Dual Showman if you could afford it, Kustom if you
>> couldn't. Kustom amps were a lot cheaper than Fender, and you could get a
>> really good deal if you bought all Kustom amps and PA system.
>
> You guys were playing through Kustom amps and cabs in 1965?
>
> Can I borrow your time machines?
>
> http://www.kustom.com/company/history.asp
>
> Oh, and check this out http://www.fender-amp.com/timeline.asp - the dual
> showman was apparently introduced in 1968.
>
> --- Derek
>
> --
> Derek Tearne - derek@url.co.nz
> Many Hands - Trans Cultural Music from Aotearoa/New Zealand
> http://www.manyhands.co.nz/
>

[Derek Tearne]

Brian Running <brunning@XXameritechXX.net> wrote:

> > You guys were playing through Kustom amps and cabs in 1965?
> >
> > Can I borrow your time machines?
> >
> > http://www.kustom.com/company/history.asp
> >
> > Oh, and check this out http://www.fender-amp.com/timeline.asp - the dual
> > showman was apparently introduced in 1968.
>
> Oh fer cryin' out loud, Derek. Is this really necessary? Do you think
> the OP really cares if they are off by a year? Could you even say
> anything if it weren't for Google?

Not definitively. However, I only looked up the dates because something
at the back of my head was saying "No, that's not right, that stuff is
all a lot later". In fact it wasn't as much later as I thought - but
still - that kool looking kustom gear is much more clearly associated in
my mind with the late 60s and early 70s flower power, funk and the like.

And yes, if someone says "1965" rather than 'mid 60s' I assume they are
researching for a book or a film or a play set in 1965 and want
historical accuracy. Or more likely are trying to settle a bet.

--- Derek




--
Derek Tearne - derek@url.co.nz
Many Hands - Trans Cultural Music from Aotearoa/New Zealand
http://www.manyhands.co.nz/

[dustoyevsky@mac.com]

On May 8, 7:26 am, d...@url.co.nz (Derek Tearne) wrote:

> Can I borrow your time machines?

You can borrow-- or trade-- my 58-year-old memory hard drive anytime,
sonny <g>, please.
>
> http://www.kustom.com/company/history.asp
>
> Oh, and check this outhttp://www.fender-amp.com/timeline.asp- the dual
> showman was apparently introduced in 1968.

Dual, yes. Double (2-15 JBL) was available in '62.

I think the "Dual" means the big cab, no? I had one, with a Dual head.

Don't forget the mighty Gibson Atlas.

Ampeg had their 2-15 bass amp out according to one source in '69, the
B25B. Those were nice amps, beat my Showman even with stock speakers
v. my various JBL, Altecs.

But you were asking '65? B-15 or Bassman, Showman if you had a lot of
money. What, $600+ in 1965 $$$US? New Volkswagon beetle, $1999. Or the
mighty Gibson Atlas. They were hopeful, gotta give them that <g>!

Yeah, all the big stuff came along a few years later, like Sunn,
Hiwatt, Orange, Kustom (well...) Acoustic, etc.

I think the Stones' Ya Ya's album was a real watershed/wakeup call for
LOUD. Open the hymn book to 1969, insert your earplugs so you don't
wind up deaf like Sir Jagger and Jack Sparrow's dad.
--D-y

[Mike Rieves]

"Derek Tearne" <derek@url.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1hxtkum.1blowmuay4nhgN%derek@url.co.nz...
> Mike Rieves <mriev@hotspam.com> wrote:
>
>> "Pt" <peatea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1178580940.079557.158240@h2g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
>
>> > Typically I'd say that many bands in those days played a Fender bass
>> > through a Kustom or other padded amp.
>> > Fender bass being a P bass.
>>
>> Fender Bassman or Dual Showman if you could afford it, Kustom if you
>> couldn't. Kustom amps were a lot cheaper than Fender, and you could get a
>> really good deal if you bought all Kustom amps and PA system.
>
> You guys were playing through Kustom amps and cabs in 1965?
>
> Can I borrow your time machines?
>
> http://www.kustom.com/company/history.asp
>
> Oh, and check this out http://www.fender-amp.com/timeline.asp - the dual
> showman was apparently introduced in 1968.
>
> --- Derek

Okay, '65 or '66, it was over forty years ago, and I do well to get things
that far back within a year or two. As for the Dual Showman, I have to
assume it was actually the Double Showman, because I had two friends who
bought them them in 1965. It's easy to confuse "dual" and "double", since
they mean virtually the same thing. :-)

[Mike Rieves]

"Pt" <peatea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1178580940.079557.158240@h2g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
> On May 7, 1:57 pm, jnbph...@email.com wrote:
>> Out of curiosity what bass rig would be considered the norm or a
>> "standard" for
>>
>> a) Blues Bands
>>
>> b) The "Motown Sound"
>>
>> Not for studio use, working bands.
>>
>> Thanks for any input.
>
>
> Typically I'd say that many bands in those days played a Fender bass
> through a Kustom or other padded amp.
> Fender bass being a P bass.
>
> Pt
>
In 1965, I was playing a Gibson Kalamazoo guitar through a Gibson Falcon
amp, and I also had a Silvertone bass guitar and a Silvertone bass amp with
2 12" speakers.

[klaw]

On May 7, 2:57 pm, jnbph...@email.com wrote:
> Out of curiosity what bass rig would be considered the norm or a
> "standard" for
>
> a) Blues Bands
>
> b) The "Motown Sound"
>
> Not for studio use, working bands.
>
> Thanks for any input.

fneder bassman, ampeg b15, premier, silvertone.

[Pt]

On May 8, 11:18 pm, "Mike Rieves" <m...@hotspam.com> wrote:
> "Pt" <pea...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1178580940.079557.158240@h2g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
>
>
>
> > On May 7, 1:57 pm, jnbph...@email.com wrote:
> >> Out of curiosity what bass rig would be considered the norm or a
> >> "standard" for
>
> >> a) Blues Bands
>
> >> b) The "Motown Sound"
>
> >> Not for studio use, working bands.
>
> >> Thanks for any input.
>
> > Typically I'd say that many bands in those days played a Fender bass
> > through a Kustom or other padded amp.
> > Fender bass being a P bass.
>
> > Pt
>
> In 1965, I was playing a Gibson Kalamazoo guitar through a Gibson Falcon
> amp, and I also had a Silvertone bass guitar and a Silvertone bass amp with
> 2 12" speakers.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


In 1965 I was playing a 1962 Les Paul Custom through a Silvertone amp.
Didn't play bass yet.
Got drafted in May.
Came back in 1967 and got a strat and a Marshall.

Pt

[Larry Shaw]

1965 erm... I used to run a Selmer T&B 50 on top of a Selmer Goliath
cabinet... for small clubs.
For larger places I added 2 1X15 Wharfedale RS15EG's in home brewed
cabinets. Never used more than 50W (rms). I also used a Vox 'Foundation
Bass' cab after the Selmer cab was left in a van that was stolen.... PA was
a 'Vortexion' 50W with two 4X8 side columns. Mike's were 'Reslo' ribbons..

Motown - never heard of it till later. As far as I was aware at the time -
america meant Ventures, Jan & Dean etc. Oh - and of course the Everly's, Roy
etc.


<jnbphish@email.com> wrote in message
news:1178564250.077026.205190@h2g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
> Out of curiosity what bass rig would be considered the norm or a
> "standard" for
>
> a) Blues Bands
>
> b) The "Motown Sound"
>
> Not for studio use, working bands.
>
>
>
> Thanks for any input.
>

[Pt]

On May 9, 12:38 pm, "Larry Shaw" <l...@local-angle.com> wrote:

> Motown - never heard of it till later. As far as I was aware at the time -
> america meant Ventures, Jan & Dean etc. Oh - and of course the Everly's, Roy
> etc.


In the US the early to mid 60's was where everything changed and
almost anything was accepted.
Motown got big in the early 60's.
Surf and pop country songs were big hits.
Jazz even hit the pop radio stations.
Not sure of the years but Take 5 and Cast your fate to the wind were
popular.
The most popular in 1965 were the Beatles and the Stones.

And there was Girl from Ipinema.
Downtown.
More?.....

Pt

[jnbphish@email.com]

On May 9, 1:54 pm, Pt <pea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 9, 12:38 pm, "Larry Shaw" <l...@local-angle.com> wrote:
>
> > Motown - never heard of it till later. As far as I was aware at the time -
> > america meant Ventures, Jan & Dean etc. Oh - and of course the Everly's, Roy
> > etc.
>
> In the US the early to mid 60's was where everything changed and
> almost anything was accepted.
> Motown got big in the early 60's.
> Surf and pop country songs were big hits.
> Jazz even hit the pop radio stations.
> Not sure of the years but Take 5 and Cast your fate to the wind were
> popular.
> The most popular in 1965 were the Beatles and the Stones.
>
> And there was Girl from Ipinema.
> Downtown.
> More?.....
>
> Pt

Thanks for the response, I was/am thinking of buying a vintage rig.
i was born in 1980 but have always gravitated towards older music
especially 60's blues and rock and wanted a completely different tone
than what I have now. I currently have a 5 string Am Deluxe Jazz bass
through a swr 350 blackface and avatar 1x15.

I want to get a re-issue P Bass with an all tube amp. It is confusing
b/c it seems with the bassman and the showman, that guitarist and bass
players used them...It took me a while to wrap my brain around that.
I think I am leaning toward the dual showman or an ampeg V4 or V4-B.
My only concern now is the maintenance of an all tube head. I don't
know of anyone around my city (Columbia SC) that fixes and repairs
them. There also seems to be much debate whether 100 watts is enough
power. I don't see how it couldn't be but have never heard a bass
played with 100 watt all tube head. Is there anyone in this group
from the Atlanta or Charlotte are that knows of a guitar shop that
might actually have one of these to test out?

Thanks for the information

[Brian Running]

> In the US the early to mid 60's was where everything changed and
> almost anything was accepted.
> Motown got big in the early 60's.
> Surf and pop country songs were big hits.
> Jazz even hit the pop radio stations.
> Not sure of the years but Take 5 and Cast your fate to the wind were
> popular.
> The most popular in 1965 were the Beatles and the Stones.
>
> And there was Girl from Ipinema.
> Downtown.
> More?.....

No, that was it.

[Derek Tearne]

Pt <peatea@yahoo.com> wrote:

> And there was Girl from Ipinema.

She still lives in Ipanema, runs a boutique, called 'the girl from
Ipanema'.

Wow, the sons of the composers of the song (who are now the copyright
holders) recently sued her for using the name 'girl from ipanema' to
promote her boutique!

I hope they didn't win!

--- Derek



--
Derek Tearne - derek@url.co.nz
Many Hands - Trans Cultural Music from Aotearoa/New Zealand
http://www.manyhands.co.nz/

[ptooner]

>
> Thanks for the response, I was/am thinking of buying a vintage rig.
> i was born in 1980 but have always gravitated towards older music
> especially 60's blues and rock and wanted a completely different tone
> than what I have now. I currently have a 5 string Am Deluxe Jazz bass
> through a swr 350 blackface and avatar 1x15.
>
> I want to get a re-issue P Bass with an all tube amp. It is confusing
> b/c it seems with the bassman and the showman, that guitarist and bass
> players used them...It took me a while to wrap my brain around that.
> I think I am leaning toward the dual showman or an ampeg V4 or V4-B.
> My only concern now is the maintenance of an all tube head. I don't
> know of anyone around my city (Columbia SC) that fixes and repairs
> them. There also seems to be much debate whether 100 watts is enough
> power. I don't see how it couldn't be but have never heard a bass
> played with 100 watt all tube head. Is there anyone in this group
> from the Atlanta or Charlotte are that knows of a guitar shop that
> might actually have one of these to test out?
>
> Thanks for the information

Well, guy, oddly enough I was born less than 40 miles from Columbia (Sumter)
and I come back often to see the Gamecocks play. (Well, sometimes they
play) A few thoughts for you, tube amps are amazingly simple to maintain.
Generally, nothing goes wrong but the tubes. They plug in and out. Any
general electronic shop (I guess they still have those?) can do the work.
Next, no - 100 watts is 100 watts no matter how it's generated. It's not
enough in today's bands. I use at least 100 watts for my stage amp with an
otherwise all acoustic band. Then I run a DI to the mains from the amp to
cover the audience. IMHO the biggest step you can make to get back to the
sound of the sixties is to tie on a set of flatwound strings.

Gerry


>

[Misifus]

Derek Tearne wrote:
> Brian Running <brunning@XXameritechXX.net> wrote:
>
>>> You guys were playing through Kustom amps and cabs in 1965?
>>>
>>> Can I borrow your time machines?
>>>
>>> http://www.kustom.com/company/history.asp
>>>
>>> Oh, and check this out http://www.fender-amp.com/timeline.asp - the dual
>>> showman was apparently introduced in 1968.
>> Oh fer cryin' out loud, Derek. Is this really necessary? Do you think
>> the OP really cares if they are off by a year? Could you even say
>> anything if it weren't for Google?
>
> Not definitively. However, I only looked up the dates because something
> at the back of my head was saying "No, that's not right, that stuff is
> all a lot later". In fact it wasn't as much later as I thought - but
> still - that kool looking kustom gear is much more clearly associated in
> my mind with the late 60s and early 70s flower power, funk and the like.
>
> And yes, if someone says "1965" rather than 'mid 60s' I assume they are
> researching for a book or a film or a play set in 1965 and want
> historical accuracy. Or more likely are trying to settle a bet.
>
> --- Derek
>
>
>
>


It's also true that there were some very large "sea-changes" that took
place in the years 1963-1967. That is, every year was quite different
from the one before and the one after it. The total effect was that
music, both sound and equipment was enormously different in 1967 than it
was in 1963.

-Raf (old enough to remember those years pretty well <g>)

--
Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
mailto:rafseibert@suddenlink.net
blog: http://rafsrincon.blogspot.com/
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home: http://www.rafandsioux.com

[jnbphish@email.com]

On May 9, 8:53 pm, "ptooner" <some...@onthe.net> wrote:
> > Thanks for the response, I was/am thinking of buying a vintage rig.
> > i was born in 1980 but have always gravitated towards older music
> > especially 60's blues and rock and wanted a completely different tone
> > than what I have now. I currently have a 5 string Am Deluxe Jazz bass
> > through a swr 350 blackface and avatar 1x15.
>
> > I want to get a re-issue P Bass with an all tube amp. It is confusing
> > b/c it seems with the bassman and the showman, that guitarist and bass
> > players used them...It took me a while to wrap my brain around that.
> > I think I am leaning toward the dual showman or an ampeg V4 or V4-B.
> > My only concern now is the maintenance of an all tube head. I don't
> > know of anyone around my city (Columbia SC) that fixes and repairs
> > them. There also seems to be much debate whether 100 watts is enough
> > power. I don't see how it couldn't be but have never heard a bass
> > played with 100 watt all tube head. Is there anyone in this group
> > from the Atlanta or Charlotte are that knows of a guitar shop that
> > might actually have one of these to test out?
>
> > Thanks for the information
>
> Well, guy, oddly enough I was born less than 40 miles from Columbia (Sumter)
> and I come back often to see the Gamecocks play. (Well, sometimes they
> play) A few thoughts for you, tube amps are amazingly simple to maintain.
> Generally, nothing goes wrong but the tubes. They plug in and out. Any
> general electronic shop (I guess they still have those?) can do the work.
> Next, no - 100 watts is 100 watts no matter how it's generated. It's not
> enough in today's bands. I use at least 100 watts for my stage amp with an
> otherwise all acoustic band. Then I run a DI to the mains from the amp to
> cover the audience. IMHO the biggest step you can make to get back to the
> sound of the sixties is to tie on a set of flatwound strings.
>
> Gerry
>
>

I just do't get this (go cocks) I have a 120w solid state hartke
kickback 12 I can crank it for rehearsals, and play with a three piece
blues band
that's doing high energy blues and swings with a rock style drummer in
small to medium clubs. I can hold my own (granted the fidelity of
that hartke isn't there but i am functioning playing--live actually
well

So you say 100 all-tube watt head with a 15 inch cabinet won't produce
the power needed to do what I am currently doing, and doing it better.
(go cocks) not trying to say I know more that anybody but you gotta
make me understand this in a different way


elaborate on
"Next, no - 100 watts is 100 watts no matter how it's generated. It's
not
> enough in today's bands."


our uniforms are going to look awesome this year, i hope we can score
in them.

[Oci-One Kanubi]

On May 9, 7:32 pm, d...@url.co.nz (Derek Tearne) wrote:
> Pt <pea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > And there was Girl from Ipinema.
>
> She still lives in Ipanema, runs a boutique, called 'the girl from
> Ipanema'.
>
> Wow, the sons of the composers of the song (who are now the copyright
> holders) recently sued her for using the name 'girl from ipanema' to
> promote her boutique!
>
> I hope they didn't win!


Dude! Intellectual property! That shop, with that name, is soooooo
gonna cut into their royalty payments!


-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty
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[suds mcduff]

On May 9, 7:15 pm, Brian Running <brunn...@XXameritechXX.net> wrote:
> > In the US the early to mid 60's was where everything changed and
> > almost anything was accepted.
> > Motown got big in the early 60's.
> > Surf and pop country songs were big hits.
> > Jazz even hit the pop radio stations.
> > Not sure of the years but Take 5 and Cast your fate to the wind were
> > popular.
> > The most popular in 1965 were the Beatles and the Stones.
>
> > And there was Girl from Ipinema.
> > Downtown.
> > More?.....
>
> No, that was it.


----I seem to have a dim memory of the Tiajauna Brass.
Was that '65?

[eadg]

"Larry Shaw" <larry@local-angle.com> wrote in message
news:Wq2dnUUlDNmRmt_bnZ2dnUVZ8sylnZ2d@bt.com...
> 1965 erm... I used to run a Selmer T&B 50 on top of a Selmer Goliath
> cabinet... for small clubs.
> For larger places I added 2 1X15 Wharfedale RS15EG's in home brewed
> cabinets. Never used more than 50W (rms). I also used a Vox
> 'Foundation Bass' cab after the Selmer cab was left in a van that
> was stolen.... PA was a 'Vortexion' 50W with two 4X8 side columns.
> Mike's were 'Reslo' ribbons..

Interesting thread this...my first amp was a Selmer Futurama combo 30
or 50 watts, I'm not sure tbh, and from there to a Vox AC50 with the
Foundation. One abiding memory from that period was the emergence of
2x12 combos with up to 4 jack inputs - one amp for the whole band!

>
> Motown - never heard of it till later. As far as I was aware at the
> time - america meant Ventures, Jan & Dean etc. Oh - and of course
> the Everly's, Roy etc.

'Love Me Do' by the Beatles had such an effect on me as I recall,
definitely sowed the seeds of wanting to play an instrument I think,
but Motown and Atlantic/Stax were the inspiration to take it seriously
and I'm highly thankful in retrospect - apart from one or two I don't
see any young bassists managing to inspire the present generation
within the popular music scene with something new and/or clever.

--
SR

[Larry Shaw]

I recall a 'Dallas' 30W amp with 4 inputs, but our rythm (f*** how do you
spell it) guitarist and two mikes went through a watkins Dominator amp 2 8x4
eliptical speakers and about twenty Watts rms - biggest thing for me was
Selmer (of Witham essex) making me a selmer bassmaster top and a cab with a
1x12 and 1x18 in it... not even listed in the selmer history url's. oh what
fun we had.. Vox symphonic Bass £94-10-0 straight out of Jennings window -
as the precisions were £124-0-0 due to the import tax.
Epiphone Rivoli for 'beat' numbers........... still have one.



"eadg" <don'tbe@it.com> wrote in message
news:abM0i.8617$H4.6351@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> "Larry Shaw" <larry@local-angle.com> wrote in message
> news:Wq2dnUUlDNmRmt_bnZ2dnUVZ8sylnZ2d@bt.com...
>> 1965 erm... I used to run a Selmer T&B 50 on top of a Selmer Goliath
>> cabinet... for small clubs.
>> For larger places I added 2 1X15 Wharfedale RS15EG's in home brewed
>> cabinets. Never used more than 50W (rms). I also used a Vox 'Foundation
>> Bass' cab after the Selmer cab was left in a van that was stolen.... PA
>> was a 'Vortexion' 50W with two 4X8 side columns. Mike's were 'Reslo'
>> ribbons..
>
> Interesting thread this...my first amp was a Selmer Futurama combo 30 or
> 50 watts, I'm not sure tbh, and from there to a Vox AC50 with the
> Foundation. One abiding memory from that period was the emergence of 2x12
> combos with up to 4 jack inputs - one amp for the whole band!
>
>>
>> Motown - never heard of it till later. As far as I was aware at the
>> time - america meant Ventures, Jan & Dean etc. Oh - and of course the
>> Everly's, Roy etc.
>
> 'Love Me Do' by the Beatles had such an effect on me as I recall,
> definitely sowed the seeds of wanting to play an instrument I think, but
> Motown and Atlantic/Stax were the inspiration to take it seriously and I'm
> highly thankful in retrospect - apart from one or two I don't see any
> young bassists managing to inspire the present generation within the
> popular music scene with something new and/or clever.
>
> --
> SR
>
>

[ptooner]

<jnbphish@email.com> wrote in message
news:1178771223.318015.327120@w5g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
> On May 9, 8:53 pm, "ptooner" <some...@onthe.net> wrote:
>> > Thanks for the response, I was/am thinking of buying a vintage rig.
>> > i was born in 1980 but have always gravitated towards older music
>> > especially 60's blues and rock and wanted a completely different tone
>> > than what I have now. I currently have a 5 string Am Deluxe Jazz bass
>> > through a swr 350 blackface and avatar 1x15.
>>
>> > I want to get a re-issue P Bass with an all tube amp. It is confusing
>> > b/c it seems with the bassman and the showman, that guitarist and bass
>> > players used them...It took me a while to wrap my brain around that.
>> > I think I am leaning toward the dual showman or an ampeg V4 or V4-B.
>> > My only concern now is the maintenance of an all tube head. I don't
>> > know of anyone around my city (Columbia SC) that fixes and repairs
>> > them. There also seems to be much debate whether 100 watts is enough
>> > power. I don't see how it couldn't be but have never heard a bass
>> > played with 100 watt all tube head. Is there anyone in this group
>> > from the Atlanta or Charlotte are that knows of a guitar shop that
>> > might actually have one of these to test out?
>>
>> > Thanks for the information
>>
>> Well, guy, oddly enough I was born less than 40 miles from Columbia
>> (Sumter)
>> and I come back often to see the Gamecocks play. (Well, sometimes they
>> play) A few thoughts for you, tube amps are amazingly simple to
>> maintain.
>> Generally, nothing goes wrong but the tubes. They plug in and out. Any
>> general electronic shop (I guess they still have those?) can do the work.
>> Next, no - 100 watts is 100 watts no matter how it's generated. It's not
>> enough in today's bands. I use at least 100 watts for my stage amp with
>> an
>> otherwise all acoustic band. Then I run a DI to the mains from the amp
>> to
>> cover the audience. IMHO the biggest step you can make to get back to
>> the
>> sound of the sixties is to tie on a set of flatwound strings.
>>
>> Gerry
>>
>>
>
> I just do't get this (go cocks) I have a 120w solid state hartke
> kickback 12 I can crank it for rehearsals, and play with a three piece
> blues band
> that's doing high energy blues and swings with a rock style drummer in
> small to medium clubs. I can hold my own (granted the fidelity of
> that hartke isn't there but i am functioning playing--live actually
> well
>
> So you say 100 all-tube watt head with a 15 inch cabinet won't produce
> the power needed to do what I am currently doing, and doing it better.
> (go cocks) not trying to say I know more that anybody but you gotta
> make me understand this in a different way
>
>
> elaborate on
> "Next, no - 100 watts is 100 watts no matter how it's generated. It's
> not
>> enough in today's bands."
>
>
> our uniforms are going to look awesome this year, i hope we can score
> in them.

You got that right! Steve's had long enough to produce now! I'll have
three nephews there next year, btw. ;-) Anyway, there is no noticeable
difference between 100 watts and 120 watts. A 15" speaker will surely give
you a different sound, but not more of it. I'm surprised to hear you say
you are doing that much with 120 watts now. I had a great outdoor gig
today (veterans thing) and I ran a GK 112 for stage sound running as hard as
it could go. I'm the ONLY amplified instrument on stage, and it was just
barely enough. I DI it to a 500 watt PA head for the main sound output.
Anyway, (what is the new uniform scheme?) 100 watts is the measure of power
the amp puts out. The cabinet converts audio power to sound (decibels). It
doesn't care how the power is generated, it still produces the same volume
of sound. The only real way to change that formula is to change the
efficiency of the cabinet. That is unlikely to produce a huge difference.
My 500 watt PA is driving 4 15s. I would get more efficiency running a 500
watt dedicated bass system, which would produce more sound; but not by a
huge factor. In my case I have the 4 cabinets spread over a wide area which
allows me to cover more audience without deafening anyone. (Do you know the
most famous Gamecock cheer? " WAIT - TILL - NEXT - YEAR- "
;-)

Gerry
BTW, if you look at those fabulous gamecock bands of the early 70s you might
see a really handsome man playing baritone horn.
>

[Brian Running]

> ----I seem to have a dim memory of the Tiajauna Brass.
> Was that '65?

No, never heard of 'em.

[Derek Tearne]

Brian Running <brunning@XXameritechXX.net> wrote:

> > ----I seem to have a dim memory of the Tiajauna Brass.
> > Was that '65?
>
> No, never heard of 'em.

I can't understand why I have no recollection of this album cover.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/da/HA_WhippedCream.jpg

They must have had a different cover in blighty.

My father had a Tijuana Brass album - 'a taste of honey' is indelibly
etched into my memory.

--- Derek

--
Derek Tearne - derek@url.co.nz
Many Hands - Trans Cultural Music from Aotearoa/New Zealand
http://www.manyhands.co.nz/

[5 String]

Derek Tearne wrote:
> Brian Running <brunning@XXameritechXX.net> wrote:
>
>>> ----I seem to have a dim memory of the Tiajauna Brass.
>>> Was that '65?
>> No, never heard of 'em.
>
> I can't understand why I have no recollection of this album cover.
>
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/da/HA_WhippedCream.jpg
>
> They must have had a different cover in blighty.
>
> My father had a Tijuana Brass album - 'a taste of honey' is indelibly
> etched into my memory.
>
> --- Derek
>
My recollection of TJB (and Herb Alpet..) was later, like 68 and into
the early 7-'s.. dad loved em.... and of course I'd be wrong as
> http://www.tijuanabrass.com/
has the first release in 1962

--
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> search<insert query here> <enter> <
> <
> avoiding newsgroup wiseasses.... PRICELESS. <
> <
> For some things there is usenet <
> For everything else there is google............. <

[Les Cargill]

Derek Tearne wrote:

> Brian Running <brunning@XXameritechXX.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>----I seem to have a dim memory of the Tiajauna Brass.
>>>Was that '65?
>>
>>No, never heard of 'em.
>
>
> I can't understand why I have no recollection of this album cover.
>
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/da/HA_WhippedCream.jpg
>

BEST. ALBUM. COVER. EVER.

> They must have had a different cover in blighty.
>
> My father had a Tijuana Brass album - 'a taste of honey' is indelibly
> etched into my memory.
>

I noticed an "Alpert Foundation" nod on PBS
the other day. Herb did good for himself.

> --- Derek
>
--
Les Cargill

[ptooner]

"Derek Tearne" <derek@url.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1hxy40j.1ld2hbh15ctddeN%derek@url.co.nz...
> Brian Running <brunning@XXameritechXX.net> wrote:
>
>> > ----I seem to have a dim memory of the Tiajauna Brass.
>> > Was that '65?
>>
>> No, never heard of 'em.
>
> I can't understand why I have no recollection of this album cover.
>
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/da/HA_WhippedCream.jpg

I still own this one.

Gerry
>
> They must have had a different cover in blighty.
>
> My father had a Tijuana Brass album - 'a taste of honey' is indelibly
> etched into my memory.
>
> --- Derek
>
> --
> Derek Tearne - derek@url.co.nz
> Many Hands - Trans Cultural Music from Aotearoa/New Zealand
> http://www.manyhands.co.nz/
>

[ptooner]

"Les Cargill" <lcargill@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4643bad0$0$15174$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Derek Tearne wrote:
>
>> Brian Running <brunning@XXameritechXX.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>----I seem to have a dim memory of the Tiajauna Brass.
>>>>Was that '65?
>>>
>>>No, never heard of 'em.
>>
>>
>> I can't understand why I have no recollection of this album cover.
>>
>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/da/HA_WhippedCream.jpg
>>
>
> BEST. ALBUM. COVER. EVER.

I don't know, I always like this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Judy_htfl.jpg The reverse showed a lot
more of Judy.

Gerry
>
>> They must have had a different cover in blighty.
>>
>> My father had a Tijuana Brass album - 'a taste of honey' is indelibly
>> etched into my memory.
>>
>
> I noticed an "Alpert Foundation" nod on PBS
> the other day. Herb did good for himself.
>
>> --- Derek
>>
> --
> Les Cargill

[Derek Tearne]

Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

> I noticed an "Alpert Foundation" nod on PBS
> the other day. Herb did good for himself.

That's possibly because he is the 'A' in A & M records...

--- Derek

--
Derek Tearne - derek@url.co.nz
Many Hands - Trans Cultural Music from Aotearoa/New Zealand
http://www.manyhands.co.nz/

[Les Cargill]

Derek Tearne wrote:

> Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I noticed an "Alpert Foundation" nod on PBS
>>the other day. Herb did good for himself.
>
>
> That's possibly because he is the 'A' in A & M records...
>
> --- Derek
>

It's most likely. Founded on those albums, though.

Clearly, it's good to be king.

--
Les Cargill

[eadg]

"Larry Shaw" <larry@local-angle.com> wrote in message
news:BNKdnYCv8eenCd7bRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>I recall a 'Dallas' 30W amp with 4 inputs, but our rythm (f*** how
>do you spell it) guitarist and two mikes went through a watkins
>Dominator amp 2 8x4 eliptical speakers and about twenty Watts rms -
>biggest thing for me was Selmer (of Witham essex) making me a selmer
>bassmaster top and a cab with a 1x12 and 1x18 in it... not even
>listed in the selmer history url's. oh what fun we had.. Vox
>symphonic Bass £94-10-0 straight out of Jennings window - as the
>precisions were £124-0-0 due to the import tax.
> Epiphone Rivoli for 'beat' numbers........... still have one.

After noting your 'selmer history' comment I googled and found it - 15
watts! (but a quality 15w IIRC ;)).
http://selmer.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/amps/sel49.html
I'd forgotten about the head clipping to the cab with toggle
clips...came close to disaster many a time ;)
Googled 'WEM' too... http://www.valveamps.com/mindex.htm and the page
looks like a potted history of all the amps I used at that time (I'd
forgotten about 'Park'), the Hi-Watt 200 being the pick of the bunch
imo. Also used a 200w SAI with two 4x12s which was made in Wigan in
the seventies.
The bass I used with the Selmer (my first bass in fact) was a Framus
EUB, rather an odd choice for a 12 year old but it was bought by my
dad, a trumpeter, who had the idea to switch to bass if his puff ever
went on the trumpet. Obviously, he never saw the Framus again once I
got hold of it. I played it for about four years until I realised a
bass guitar was a much better attraction to my new found interest in
females, not to mention the ease with which you could play at the 12th
fret so I switched to BG, a no name affair but heaven after the
Framus. Incidentally, the Rivoli was my dream bass at that time and I
had a cousin who had one to sell. My dad drove me the 40 miles to
Accrington to have a look and maybe broker a deal but he wanted more
than I (well, my dad in truth) could afford so it went back in it's
case under his bed and I came home brokenhearted. A month or so later
I perked up no end when I bought a Burns Vista Sonic (complete with
the 'Wild Dog' eq setting!) which lasted me a few years until I
swapped for a Rick 4001 stereo bass (great with an Orange 120 and the
HiWatt in 'stereo' mode) about 1972.
Oh and it's 'rhythm' btw, it's had me reaching for the dictionary many
a time also ;)

--
SR

>
>
>
> "eadg" <don'tbe@it.com> wrote in message
> news:abM0i.8617$H4.6351@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
>> "Larry Shaw" <larry@local-angle.com> wrote in message
>> news:Wq2dnUUlDNmRmt_bnZ2dnUVZ8sylnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> 1965 erm... I used to run a Selmer T&B 50 on top of a Selmer
>>> Goliath cabinet... for small clubs.
>>> For larger places I added 2 1X15 Wharfedale RS15EG's in home
>>> brewed cabinets. Never used more than 50W (rms). I also used a
>>> Vox 'Foundation Bass' cab after the Selmer cab was left in a van
>>> that was stolen.... PA was a 'Vortexion' 50W with two 4X8 side
>>> columns. Mike's were 'Reslo' ribbons..
>>
>> Interesting thread this...my first amp was a Selmer Futurama combo
>> 30 or 50 watts, I'm not sure tbh, and from there to a Vox AC50 with
>> the Foundation. One abiding memory from that period was the
>> emergence of 2x12 combos with up to 4 jack inputs - one amp for the
>> whole band!
>>
>>>
>>> Motown - never heard of it till later. As far as I was aware at
>>> the time - america meant Ventures, Jan & Dean etc. Oh - and of
>>> course the Everly's, Roy etc.
>>
>> 'Love Me Do' by the Beatles had such an effect on me as I recall,
>> definitely sowed the seeds of wanting to play an instrument I
>> think, but Motown and Atlantic/Stax were the inspiration to take it
>> seriously and I'm highly thankful in retrospect - apart from one or
>> two I don't see any young bassists managing to inspire the present
>> generation within the popular music scene with something new and/or
>> clever.
>>
>> --
>> SR
>>
>>
>
>

[Ted]

On 11 May, 14:14, "eadg" <don'...@it.com> wrote:
> "Larry Shaw" <l...@local-angle.com> wrote in message

>
> After noting your 'selmer history' comment I googled and found it - 15
> watts! (but a quality 15w IIRC ;)).http://selmer.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/amps/sel49.html
> I'd forgotten about the head clipping to the cab with toggle
> clips...came close to disaster many a time ;)

I have one of these - a great, very clean sounding little amp.
Practice amp only these days - it struggles to be heard over our
drummer..


TW

[dustoyevsky@mac.com]

On May 9, 3:55 pm, jnbph...@email.com wrote:

> Thanks for the response, I was/am thinking of buying a vintage rig.
> i was born in 1980 but have always gravitated towards older music
> especially 60's blues and rock and wanted a completely different tone
> than what I have now. I currently have a 5 string Am Deluxe Jazz bass
> through a swr 350 blackface and avatar 1x15.


http://pacair.com/mmamps/index.html

HD130. Or even a 65. My 130, with a single MM 1-15" (1-15RH, not later
Ernie Ball production) cab, Gauss speaker, was plenty for unmiked club
stage work against Twin Reverbs and similar used by Wurlitzer piano
players, pedal steel, guitar, electrified fiddles. A 65 I figured
would run cooler, save tubes and still have enough juice for that kind
of usage, since I don't think I used more than 3-1/2 (master nailed)
on the channel volume, ever.

The cab, as I've said many times here, I thought was a real jewel.
Always sounded good no matter what the room, both on stage and to the
player. Something the B15 and Dual Showman I owned/used did not do. I
don't think you could fault the HD130 or 65 head, running a 1-15RH cab
(with a non-original speaker in it, anyhow), for "vintage" sound. I
put a Gauss driver in mine; a little clipped on the top end but
fixable with the tone controls on the amp. An Electrovoice SRO, or the
later "15B" model (sorry I've forgotten the exact mod. number)
probably would have been better but the Gauss was plenty good enough
and cheap <g>.

I had a Sunn 200S rig, too. Bought used for 660$ in 1970 money (ouch).
Never liked the heavy, bulky weirdo-porting JBL cab due to poor
projection; the cheaper and lighter stamped-frame speaker, two-tube-
port Sunn 2-15 cab sounded better for less money even with the cheapie
speakers it had. The 200S head was OK, 65 watts or whatever it had and
did the job OK running those two big 2-15 cabs. Both of which were
bigger/heavier than the single MM cab.

Have you tried a Gallien-Krueger head? Spoken well of here, and might
be a good mate for your Avatar cab and then off you'd go. The 400
series is enough power for many, again from posts here.
--D-y

[bvoiced]

In article <gm%%h.906$LR5.600@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net>,
Brian Running <brunning@XXameritechXX.net> wrote:

> > You guys were playing through Kustom amps and cabs in 1965?
> >
> > Can I borrow your time machines?
> >
> > http://www.kustom.com/company/history.asp
> >
> > Oh, and check this out http://www.fender-amp.com/timeline.asp - the dual
> > showman was apparently introduced in 1968.
>
> Oh fer cryin' out loud, Derek. Is this really necessary? Do you think
> the OP really cares if they are off by a year? Could you even say
> anything if it weren't for Google?

Ha! Now that's funny. Derek does it again.

I remember buying my Kustom 200 head in 1969. I still have it. Sounds
as shitty as the day I bought it.