a.g.b. Band Contract Project

[Brian Running]

Here's an idea I just had while talking to Corey Benson, and I think
this could be useful to everyone here.

First step is a poll among those of you who use and have experience with
performance contracts -- what contract provisions do you find most
important, what real-world experiences have you had that led you to add
things to your contracts, what are your important pointers for contract
terms? Give us your cautionary tales, your told-you-so's, your morals
to the story.

Second, I compile the responses, convert them into good legalese, and
build a library of contract provisions.

Third, I put them into building-block form, where you can take a good
basic contract and then add appropriate sections to tailor the contract
to your particular application.

Fourth, we put the whole she-bang up on altguitarbass.com in
downloadable form, so you all can start using professional-quality
contracts for your bands.

Finally, I put legal disclaimers all over everything that says you can't
sue me for malpractice! ;-)

What do you think? If you're up for it, go ahead and post your input,
and I'll work on the rest.

[Jim Carr]

"Brian Running" <brunning@XXameritechXX.net> wrote in message
news:MM6_h.18438$Kd3.10973@newssvr27.news.prodigy. net...
> Here's an idea I just had while talking to Corey Benson, and I think this
> could be useful to everyone here.

Here's a contract I've used a few times in the past for private events.
Pardon the formatting, but it came from a Word document (I can e-mail to you
if you want).

The comments I have received from clients has been positive. They appreciate
the clarification about food and usually say, "Of course you can help
yourself!" If it's catered, then the contract will detail how the band will
be fed (sandwiches or whatever). They appreciate the part about the
alcohol - "Sure, we're fine with it as long as you don't get stupid drunk."
Or they can tell you that they would rather not have you drink. Either way
it's good to spell it out in advance. They also like having the cancellation
part spelled out.

I've never had a problem at a private gig including getting paid, so I have
no idea how this would hold up in court. I wrote it myself.

ARTIST AGREEMENT

This contractual agreement is made this 28th day of November, 2006, between
Jim Carr, representative for the band, Swampcooler, hereafter referred to as
"the Artist", and **, hereafter referred to as "the Purchaser". It is
mutually agreed between the parties, as follows:

The Purchaser hereby engages the Artist, and the Artist hereby agrees to
perform the engagement, the terms and conditions of which are set forth
herein:

1. Place of engagement: Full Address

2. Date of engagement: Saturday, January
13th, 2007

3. Hours of engagement: Approximately 7:00
pm to 11:00 pm

(Setup will begin 90 to 120 minutes prior. Tear down will begin within
15 minutes of the end of the performance.)

4. Payment for engagement: $500.00 by
check or cash, payable to Jim Carr. $100.00 has already been received as a
deposit. The balance of $400.00 is due at the end of the performance.

5. Terms of engagement: Artist shall
provide all instruments, sound system, lighting (if needed), backup
extension cords, and mats to cover the cords,


Purchaser shall provide electric power, room for the band to set up
their equipment, and reasonable security and protection from the elements
for the equipment.


Artist shall play three sets of music from the list of songs on
www.swampcoolermusic.com. Each set will consist of 10 to 12 songs with a 15
minute break between sets.


Artist shall be permitted to eat the same food provided to guests at the
event. Consumption of alcohol by the Artist shall be permitted so long as it
does not affect the performance or behavior of the Artist.

6. Cancellation: If the event is
cancelled by Purchaser on the day of the event due to inclement weather,
prior to the Artist arriving for the engagement, Artist will only be
entitled to keep the $100 deposit. If the event is cancelled during the
hours of engagement, Artist will receive full compensation.


If for any reason the event is cancelled 10 or more days prior to event,
this contract is null and void and the deposit will be refunded. If the
event is cancelled within 9 days of the event, Artist will be entitled to
keep the $100 deposit.

7. Photos, videos, recordings Purchaser and
guests are permitted to take photos and/or make video or audio recordings of
the band for personal, non-commercial use. Artist requests and would greatly
appreciate the Purchaser making copies available for promotional use.

The signatures below confirm that the parties have read and approve all
terms above.

For Artist, Swampcooler For Purchaser

_________________ _________________
Jim Carr Person
Phone: 602-692-2116 Phone:
TheBand@swampcoolermusic.com E-Mail Address

[outofthewoods]

I think its a bloody good idea my good man, I have not used one but have
had need of a contract in the past, it would have been very helpful to have
been able to put one together quickly at the time of booking.
I look forward to seeing the finished article. Thanks for putting in the
hard work for the rest of us.
Hotfoot.

[Mike Rieves]

"Jim Carr" <newsgroups@azwebpages.com> wrote in message
news:x67_h.59313$vE1.34952@newsfe24.lga...
> "Brian Running" <brunning@XXameritechXX.net> wrote in message
> news:MM6_h.18438$Kd3.10973@newssvr27.news.prodigy. net...
>> Here's an idea I just had while talking to Corey Benson, and I think this
>> could be useful to everyone here.
>
> Here's a contract I've used a few times in the past for private events.
> Pardon the formatting, but it came from a Word document (I can e-mail to
> you if you want).
>
> The comments I have received from clients has been positive. They
> appreciate the clarification about food and usually say, "Of course you
> can help yourself!" If it's catered, then the contract will detail how the
> band will be fed (sandwiches or whatever). They appreciate the part about
> the alcohol - "Sure, we're fine with it as long as you don't get stupid
> drunk." Or they can tell you that they would rather not have you drink.
> Either way it's good to spell it out in advance. They also like having the
> cancellation part spelled out.
>
> I've never had a problem at a private gig including getting paid, so I
> have no idea how this would hold up in court. I wrote it myself.
>
> ARTIST AGREEMENT
>
> This contractual agreement is made this 28th day of November, 2006,
> between Jim Carr, representative for the band, Swampcooler, hereafter
> referred to as "the Artist", and **, hereafter referred to as "the
> Purchaser". It is mutually agreed between the parties, as follows:
>
> The Purchaser hereby engages the Artist, and the Artist hereby agrees to
> perform the engagement, the terms and conditions of which are set forth
> herein:
>
> 1. Place of engagement: Full Address
>
> 2. Date of engagement: Saturday, January
> 13th, 2007
>
> 3. Hours of engagement: Approximately 7:00
> pm to 11:00 pm
>
> (Setup will begin 90 to 120 minutes prior. Tear down will begin within 15
> minutes of the end of the performance.)
>
> 4. Payment for engagement: $500.00 by
> check or cash, payable to Jim Carr. $100.00 has already been received as a
> deposit. The balance of $400.00 is due at the end of the performance.
>
> 5. Terms of engagement: Artist shall
> provide all instruments, sound system, lighting (if needed), backup
> extension cords, and mats to cover the cords,
>
>
> Purchaser shall provide electric power, room for the band to set up their
> equipment, and reasonable security and protection from the elements for
> the equipment.
>
>
> Artist shall play three sets of music from the list of songs on
> www.swampcoolermusic.com. Each set will consist of 10 to 12 songs with a
> 15 minute break between sets.
>
>
> Artist shall be permitted to eat the same food provided to guests at the
> event. Consumption of alcohol by the Artist shall be permitted so long as
> it does not affect the performance or behavior of the Artist.
>
> 6. Cancellation: If the event is
> cancelled by Purchaser on the day of the event due to inclement weather,
> prior to the Artist arriving for the engagement, Artist will only be
> entitled to keep the $100 deposit. If the event is cancelled during the
> hours of engagement, Artist will receive full compensation.
>
>
> If for any reason the event is cancelled 10 or more days prior to event,
> this contract is null and void and the deposit will be refunded. If the
> event is cancelled within 9 days of the event, Artist will be entitled to
> keep the $100 deposit.
>
> 7. Photos, videos, recordings Purchaser and
> guests are permitted to take photos and/or make video or audio recordings
> of the band for personal, non-commercial use. Artist requests and would
> greatly appreciate the Purchaser making copies available for promotional
> use.
>
> The signatures below confirm that the parties have read and approve all
> terms above.
>
> For Artist, Swampcooler For Purchaser
>
> _________________ _________________
> Jim Carr Person
> Phone: 602-692-2116 Phone:
> TheBand@swampcoolermusic.com E-Mail Address
>
>
When I was with a band on the road, most clubs stipulated that the band
was not allowed to drink alcohol during the performance or during the
breaks. Virtually all of them had a "no drinks of any kind on stage" rule.
However, many of the clubs either gave the band good discounts or even free
drinks after the performance was over. There were a couple of notable
exceptions, the Wreck Bar in Daytona Beach where they wanted us to come to
the club early and belt down a few to "loosen up" before playing, and a club
in Owensboro, Ky, (I don't remember the name of the club) where the owner
insisted on buying the band three or four rounds every set. :-)

[js]

There's three things I put into every contract:

1) "Employer shall give no less than x days notice to band of cancellation
of performance or employer agrees to pay band as liquidated damages one
hundred percent (100%) of the guaranteed fee."

For most private gigs, it's 30 days, weddings and New Years it's 60-90. I
don't screw around with prorated fees (ie 10 days or less=100%; 1-20 days
before=60% etc). It gives them too much "well I called you and left a
message last week" wiggle room, plus they'll see an opening to negotiate you
down.

The gig happens or it doesn't - either way we get paid. Period

If you have a hard time standing your ground on this, think of it this way:
These people booked you for a job, when you could have just as easily taken
the next job that came in. Even if it's the only gig you have that year, you
STILL could be doing something else. Last month, I cancelled a weekend trip
to do a club gig WITHOUT a contract, that got cancelled an hour before start
time. I didn't lose any money, but I was out a rare free weekend.

The other guys in your band could be doing the same. A lot of lives are
getting messed about because the event is nose-diving and they decide the
band is the most expendable. A few of these and no musician will return your
calls. F-that. You can bet you ass the caterer and the florist got a
guarantee. Why shouldn't you?



2) "Extra performance time beyond the above listed may be requested for an
additional fee of $x00.00 per additional hour".

I friggin HATE playing over, ESPECIALLY for free. AT LEAST someone should be
buying me shots... Because of this, I tend to set my "extra hour"
performance rate at roughly the price I quoted for the whole night. It's
what my friend calls a "fuck you" fee.

For anyone who asks us to play longer, I tell them to talk to the host. If
the host bites, I have them cut me a check, and we play. If not - thanks and
good night. Mostly we get to go home, instead of hacking through Proud Mary
again so the drunk brother in law can sing...

One gig I KNEW was going to be trouble - it was an Xmas party for
stockbrokers - So I quoted some ridiculous fee like $1000 per extra hour.
End of the night comes, host comes over and asks how much for another
hour.Without blinking an eye, I told him it was a grand, per the contract,
he whips out his checkbook and hands me a grand. The rest of the band almost
shit themselves - I don't know why; he DID sign the contract.


3) "Employer agrees to provide adequate space for set up and performance of
a musical group, and to provide adequate lighting and electrical outlets."

This one I actually got from Mr. Running, I believe. You would not believe
how this has saved my ass. It apparently never occurs to people that a
ELECTRIC GUITAR needs POWER to work. Plus, we've been spared several
awkward/idiotic setup locations - outside on a lawn comes to mind...



--
Check out my band, West Eats Meat http://www.myspace.com/westeatsmeat

My Homepage, Back By Popular Demand: http://www.jmsjazz.com

"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it
comes out."

- Bill Hicks









"Brian Running" <brunning@XXameritechXX.net> wrote in message
news:MM6_h.18438$Kd3.10973@newssvr27.news.prodigy. net...
> Here's an idea I just had while talking to Corey Benson, and I think
> this could be useful to everyone here.
>
> First step is a poll among those of you who use and have experience with
> performance contracts -- what contract provisions do you find most
> important, what real-world experiences have you had that led you to add
> things to your contracts, what are your important pointers for contract
> terms? Give us your cautionary tales, your told-you-so's, your morals
> to the story.
>
> Second, I compile the responses, convert them into good legalese, and
> build a library of contract provisions.
>
> Third, I put them into building-block form, where you can take a good
> basic contract and then add appropriate sections to tailor the contract
> to your particular application.
>
> Fourth, we put the whole she-bang up on altguitarbass.com in
> downloadable form, so you all can start using professional-quality
> contracts for your bands.
>
> Finally, I put legal disclaimers all over everything that says you can't
> sue me for malpractice! ;-)
>
> What do you think? If you're up for it, go ahead and post your input,
> and I'll work on the rest.

[Brian Running]

Mike Rieves wrote:
> "Jim Carr" <newsgroups@azwebpages.com> wrote in message

Would you two numbskulls please do me a favor and keep your weird little
Jim and Mike Show out of this thread, it's on-topic, potentially useful
to actual bass players, and there are plenty of other threads going on
for you two to perform your bizarre courtship ritual in. Thank you in
advance.

[Neil N]

On May 3, 12:19 am, "js" <NOS...@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
> There's three things I put into every contract:
>
> 1) "Employer shall give no less than x days notice to band of cancellation
> of performance or employer agrees to pay band as liquidated damages one
> hundred percent (100%) of the guaranteed fee."
>
> For most private gigs, it's 30 days, weddings and New Years it's 60-90. I
> don't screw around with prorated fees (ie 10 days or less=100%; 1-20 days
> before=60% etc). It gives them too much "well I called you and left a
> message last week" wiggle room, plus they'll see an opening to negotiate you
> down.
>
> The gig happens or it doesn't - either way we get paid. Period
>
> If you have a hard time standing your ground on this, think of it this way:
> These people booked you for a job, when you could have just as easily taken
> the next job that came in. Even if it's the only gig you have that year, you
> STILL could be doing something else. Last month, I cancelled a weekend trip
> to do a club gig WITHOUT a contract, that got cancelled an hour before start
> time. I didn't lose any money, but I was out a rare free weekend.
>
> The other guys in your band could be doing the same. A lot of lives are
> getting messed about because the event is nose-diving and they decide the
> band is the most expendable. A few of these and no musician will return your
> calls. F-that. You can bet you ass the caterer and the florist got a
> guarantee. Why shouldn't you?
>
> 2) "Extra performance time beyond the above listed may be requested for an
> additional fee of $x00.00 per additional hour".
>
> I friggin HATE playing over, ESPECIALLY for free. AT LEAST someone should be
> buying me shots... Because of this, I tend to set my "extra hour"
> performance rate at roughly the price I quoted for the whole night. It's
> what my friend calls a "fuck you" fee.
>
> For anyone who asks us to play longer, I tell them to talk to the host. If
> the host bites, I have them cut me a check, and we play. If not - thanks and
> good night. Mostly we get to go home, instead of hacking through Proud Mary
> again so the drunk brother in law can sing...
>
> One gig I KNEW was going to be trouble - it was an Xmas party for
> stockbrokers - So I quoted some ridiculous fee like $1000 per extra hour.
> End of the night comes, host comes over and asks how much for another
> hour.Without blinking an eye, I told him it was a grand, per the contract,
> he whips out his checkbook and hands me a grand. The rest of the band almost
> shit themselves - I don't know why; he DID sign the contract.
>
> 3) "Employer agrees to provide adequate space for set up and performance of
> a musical group, and to provide adequate lighting and electrical outlets."
>
> This one I actually got from Mr. Running, I believe. You would not believe
> how this has saved my ass. It apparently never occurs to people that a
> ELECTRIC GUITAR needs POWER to work. Plus, we've been spared several
> awkward/idiotic setup locations - outside on a lawn comes to mind...
>
> --
> Check out my band, West Eats Meat http://www.myspace.com/westeatsmeat
>
> My Homepage, Back By Popular Demand:http://www.jmsjazz.com
>
> "I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it
> comes out."
>
> - Bill Hicks
>
> "Brian Running" <brunn...@XXameritechXX.net> wrote in message
>
> news:MM6_h.18438$Kd3.10973@newssvr27.news.prodigy. net...
>
>
>
> > Here's an idea I just had while talking to Corey Benson, and I think
> > this could be useful to everyone here.
>
> > First step is a poll among those of you who use and have experience with
> > performance contracts -- what contract provisions do you find most
> > important, what real-world experiences have you had that led you to add
> > things to your contracts, what are your important pointers for contract
> > terms? Give us your cautionary tales, your told-you-so's, your morals
> > to the story.
>
> > Second, I compile the responses, convert them into good legalese, and
> > build a library of contract provisions.
>
> > Third, I put them into building-block form, where you can take a good
> > basic contract and then add appropriate sections to tailor the contract
> > to your particular application.
>
> > Fourth, we put the whole she-bang up on altguitarbass.com in
> > downloadable form, so you all can start using professional-quality
> > contracts for your bands.
>
> > Finally, I put legal disclaimers all over everything that says you can't
> > sue me for malpractice! ;-)
>
> > What do you think? If you're up for it, go ahead and post your input,
> > and I'll work on the rest.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Good ones John, cancellation and overtime clauses are excellent.

"Adequate power" should be more specific, not up to someone's
interpretation. As in outlets, circuits and distance from stage. Most
small bands will get by on minimum 2 seperate 15 amp 110 volt
circuits, nema 5-15p connectors. ( also know as U ground or plain ol'
wall plug) located within 10 feet of stage area. Specify the circuits
being free of dishwashers and neon lights etc..

More stage lights ? more circuits.

Load in times and sound check times (if needed) should be specified as
well.

[Brian Running]

> 2) "Extra performance time beyond the above listed may be requested for an
> additional fee of $x00.00 per additional hour".

This is a good nugget.

[Brian Running]

> Specify the circuits being free of dishwashers and neon lights etc..

I like this one.

"Thank you for your invaluable input." :-)

[Angus]

>> 2) "Extra performance time beyond the above listed may be requested for
>> an
>> additional fee of $x00.00 per additional hour".
>
> This is a good nugget.

Although some might read it as "you can book the band for an hour or three,
then pay as you go". Regardless, you might want to put a cap on it.

David

[Brian Running]

>>> 2) "Extra performance time beyond the above listed may be requested for
>>> an
>>> additional fee of $x00.00 per additional hour".
>> This is a good nugget.
>
> Although some might read it as "you can book the band for an hour or three,
> then pay as you go". Regardless, you might want to put a cap on it.

Good point. Extra time should be in the sole discretion of the band,
and if the band agrees, it'll be at the stated fee.

[Neil N]

On May 3, 4:30 pm, Brian Running <brunn...@XXameritechXX.net> wrote:
> >>> 2) "Extra performance time beyond the above listed may be requested for
> >>> an
> >>> additional fee of $x00.00 per additional hour".
> >> This is a good nugget.
>
> > Although some might read it as "you can book the band for an hour or three,
> > then pay as you go". Regardless, you might want to put a cap on it.
>
> Good point. Extra time should be in the sole discretion of the band,
> and if the band agrees, it'll be at the stated fee.

In those situations I stipulate a fee that makes me an offer I can't
refuse...

[js]

Hence the term "may".

And the exorbitantly large "Fuck You" fee.

Hell, I'll play 24 hours straight for a grand an hour. I could use a new
car.

--
Check out my band, West Eats Meat http://www.myspace.com/westeatsmeat

My Homepage, Back By Popular Demand: http://www.jmsjazz.com

"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it
comes out."

- Bill Hicks









"Brian Running" <brunning@XXameritechXX.net> wrote in message
news:IDr_h.20$SC4.8@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
> >>> 2) "Extra performance time beyond the above listed may be requested
for
> >>> an
> >>> additional fee of $x00.00 per additional hour".
> >> This is a good nugget.
> >
> > Although some might read it as "you can book the band for an hour or
three,
> > then pay as you go". Regardless, you might want to put a cap on it.
>
> Good point. Extra time should be in the sole discretion of the band,
> and if the band agrees, it'll be at the stated fee.

[Lane Baldwin]

Cool deal, Brian. Thanks for thinking of us. I'll REALLY look forward to
this.

Uh...will there be an "English-Legalese" dictionary for the unwashed such as
me?
--
Keep Thumpin', Lane...

Ask not what bass can do for you...Ask what YOU can do for bass.
www.laneonbass.com | www.myspace.com/lanebaldwin
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Special Projects Coordinator & Forum Moderator
Eden Electronics -- www.eden-electronics.com

"Brian Running" <brunning@XXameritechXX.net> wrote in message
news:MM6_h.18438$Kd3.10973@newssvr27.news.prodigy. net...
> Here's an idea I just had while talking to Corey Benson, and I think this
> could be useful to everyone here.
>
> First step is a poll among those of you who use and have experience with
> performance contracts -- what contract provisions do you find most
> important, what real-world experiences have you had that led you to add
> things to your contracts, what are your important pointers for contract
> terms? Give us your cautionary tales, your told-you-so's, your morals to
> the story.
>
> Second, I compile the responses, convert them into good legalese, and
> build a library of contract provisions.
>
> Third, I put them into building-block form, where you can take a good
> basic contract and then add appropriate sections to tailor the contract to
> your particular application.
>
> Fourth, we put the whole she-bang up on altguitarbass.com in downloadable
> form, so you all can start using professional-quality contracts for your
> bands.
>
> Finally, I put legal disclaimers all over everything that says you can't
> sue me for malpractice! ;-)
>
> What do you think? If you're up for it, go ahead and post your input, and
> I'll work on the rest.
>

[Brian Running]

> Uh...will there be an "English-Legalese" dictionary for the unwashed such as
> me?

Sorry, that's all proprietary information... how 'bout a bucket of
water, a scrub brush and a bar of granny's lye soap instead?

[Lane Baldwin]

"Brian Running" <brunning@xxtdsxx.net> wrote in message
news:77x_h.34157$G23.12557@newsreading01.news.tds. net...
>> Uh...will there be an "English-Legalese" dictionary for the unwashed such
>> as me?
>
> Sorry, that's all proprietary information... how 'bout a bucket of water,
> a scrub brush and a bar of granny's lye soap instead?
>

Uhm...what are you trying to say here? I bathed last month! What's the
problem?
--
Keep Thumpin', Lane...

Ask not what bass can do for you...Ask what YOU can do for bass.
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www.deeperblues.com | www.myspace.com/deeperblues

Special Projects Coordinator & Forum Moderator
Eden Electronics -- www.eden-electronics.com

[Mike Rieves]

"Brian Running" <brunning@xxtdsxx.net> wrote in message
news:5Ij_h.34126$G23.31425@newsreading01.news.tds. net...
> Mike Rieves wrote:
>> "Jim Carr" <newsgroups@azwebpages.com> wrote in message
>
> Would you two numbskulls please do me a favor and keep your weird little
> Jim and Mike Show out of this thread, it's on-topic, potentially useful to
> actual bass players, and there are plenty of other threads going on for
> you two to perform your bizarre courtship ritual in. Thank you in
> advance.

In this case, Jim and I were each trying to help. I wasn't arguing with
Jim, just pointing out that back when I was doing this sort of thing
(admittedly, a long time ago) clubs normally didn't allow bands to drink
alcohol during performances.
As for band contracts, there are some here: http://www.musiccontracts.com/
and here: http://www.blues101.org/articles/contracts.htm, and there are lots
of others on the Net. You might want to take a look at them for suggestions.

[Jim Carr]

"js" <NOSPAM@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
news:463a6b5f$0$15096$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Hence the term "may".
>
> And the exorbitantly large "Fuck You" fee.

Why do you call it a "fuck you" fee? I'm all in favor of charging for the
extra time and for giving the band the option to decline, but why the
negative attitude?

[Mike Hanson]

On May 3, 4:46 am, Brian Running <brunn...@XXameritechXX.net> wrote:
> Here's an idea I just had while talking to Corey Benson, and I think
> this could be useful to everyone here.
>
> First step is a poll among those of you who use and have experience with
> performance contracts -- what contract provisions do you find most
> important, what real-world experiences have you had that led you to add
> things to your contracts, what are your important pointers for contract
> terms? Give us your cautionary tales, your told-you-so's, your morals
> to the story.

I don't qualify since I don't have experience with performance
contracts, but I do have two cautionary tales (which both took place
at the same, dreadfully organised event).

1) Specify when payment will be made. We played on the second day of a
3-day, multi-band event, and were then told that all the bands would
be paid on Monday (this was Saturday night and we were intending to
leave in the morning).

2) Where accommodation is provided, it needs to be available *when the
band arrives* or else at a time specified in advance so that there are
no surprises. This same event provided transport for the bands (an 8-
hour bus journey), and so they knew in advance roughly what time we
would arrive. We got there at 3pm intending to get some sleep in
before the night's show, only to find that we couldn't get into our
accommodation until 10:30pm.
--
Mike.

[coreybenson]

On May 2, 11:19 pm, "js" <NOS...@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
> There's three things I put into every contract:
>
> 1) "Employer shall give no less than x days notice to band of cancellation
> of performance or employer agrees to pay band as liquidated damages one
> hundred percent (100%) of the guaranteed fee."
>
> For most private gigs, it's 30 days, weddings and New Years it's 60-90. I
> don't screw around with prorated fees (ie 10 days or less=100%; 1-20 days
> before=60% etc). It gives them too much "well I called you and left a
> message last week" wiggle room, plus they'll see an opening to negotiate you
> down.
>
> The gig happens or it doesn't - either way we get paid. Period
>
> If you have a hard time standing your ground on this, think of it this way:
> These people booked you for a job, when you could have just as easily taken
> the next job that came in. Even if it's the only gig you have that year, you
> STILL could be doing something else. Last month, I cancelled a weekend trip
> to do a club gig WITHOUT a contract, that got cancelled an hour before start
> time. I didn't lose any money, but I was out a rare free weekend.
>
> The other guys in your band could be doing the same. A lot of lives are
> getting messed about because the event is nose-diving and they decide the
> band is the most expendable. A few of these and no musician will return your
> calls. F-that. You can bet you ass the caterer and the florist got a
> guarantee. Why shouldn't you?
>
> 2) "Extra performance time beyond the above listed may be requested for an
> additional fee of $x00.00 per additional hour".
>
> I friggin HATE playing over, ESPECIALLY for free. AT LEAST someone should be
> buying me shots... Because of this, I tend to set my "extra hour"
> performance rate at roughly the price I quoted for the whole night. It's
> what my friend calls a "fuck you" fee.
>
> For anyone who asks us to play longer, I tell them to talk to the host. If
> the host bites, I have them cut me a check, and we play. If not - thanks and
> good night. Mostly we get to go home, instead of hacking through Proud Mary
> again so the drunk brother in law can sing...
>
> One gig I KNEW was going to be trouble - it was an Xmas party for
> stockbrokers - So I quoted some ridiculous fee like $1000 per extra hour.
> End of the night comes, host comes over and asks how much for another
> hour.Without blinking an eye, I told him it was a grand, per the contract,
> he whips out his checkbook and hands me a grand. The rest of the band almost
> shit themselves - I don't know why; he DID sign the contract.
>
> 3) "Employer agrees to provide adequate space for set up and performance of
> a musical group, and to provide adequate lighting and electrical outlets."
>
> This one I actually got from Mr. Running, I believe. You would not believe
> how this has saved my ass. It apparently never occurs to people that a
> ELECTRIC GUITAR needs POWER to work. Plus, we've been spared several
> awkward/idiotic setup locations - outside on a lawn comes to mind...
>
> --
> Check out my band, West Eats Meat http://www.myspace.com/westeatsmeat
>
> My Homepage, Back By Popular Demand:http://www.jmsjazz.com
>
> "I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it
> comes out."
>
> - Bill Hicks
>
> "Brian Running" <brunn...@XXameritechXX.net> wrote in message
>
> news:MM6_h.18438$Kd3.10973@newssvr27.news.prodigy. net...
>
>
>
> > Here's an idea I just had while talking to Corey Benson, and I think
> > this could be useful to everyone here.
>
> > First step is a poll among those of you who use and have experience with
> > performance contracts -- what contract provisions do you find most
> > important, what real-world experiences have you had that led you to add
> > things to your contracts, what are your important pointers for contract
> > terms? Give us your cautionary tales, your told-you-so's, your morals
> > to the story.
>
> > Second, I compile the responses, convert them into good legalese, and
> > build a library of contract provisions.
>
> > Third, I put them into building-block form, where you can take a good
> > basic contract and then add appropriate sections to tailor the contract
> > to your particular application.
>
> > Fourth, we put the whole she-bang up on altguitarbass.com in
> > downloadable form, so you all can start using professional-quality
> > contracts for your bands.
>
> > Finally, I put legal disclaimers all over everything that says you can't
> > sue me for malpractice! ;-)
>
> > What do you think? If you're up for it, go ahead and post your input,
> > and I'll work on the rest.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Knew I was going to need to jump in early. I have nothing to add now!
John covered most of the bases I was going to hit.

The most important portion of the contract is the cancellation
portion, as far as I'm concerned. It's important that the buyer
understands that you did have other opportunities, and that it's not a
free ride if they cancel the wedding the night before.

#2 is the "when payment will be due" - I make weddings pay 50% up
front, non-refundable if they cancel after a certain date. Balance is
due WHEN WE APPEAR at the venue. I've had too many Fathers of the
Bride situations - "What do you mean you can't play Moon River?"
"We're a 70's rock band!" "Well, I'm not payin' unless'n ya do!"

The only other point I'd like to see mentioned would be the rain date
info. If it's an outdoor venue, it's not the BAND'S fault God decided
the flowers needed a drink, and the cancelletion should be at the
discretion of the people most likely to be electrocuted! (For those of
you playing the home game, that means the band!)

Thanks, B! You ROCK!

Corey

[Jim Carr]

"js" <NOSPAM@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
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> The other guys in your band could be doing the same. A lot of lives are
> getting messed about because the event is nose-diving and they decide the
> band is the most expendable. A few of these and no musician will return
> your
> calls. F-that. You can bet you ass the caterer and the florist got a
> guarantee. Why shouldn't you?

That's very true. The cancellation process should be spelled out. I am now
going to change my contract template to indicate that cancellations can be
done by postal or e-mail only. Voicemail is too hinky since cell phones drop
out a lot.

How you work out the cancellation process will depend on your band and your
customer. Some people might balk at having to pay 100% of the fee when they
don't get any service at all. If you can get 100%, great. One very good
thing about demanding 100% regardless of the date of cancellation is that
you are showing them you are taking it seriously. But there's always the
potential of losing the deal because of it or making the relationship
adversarial if they do agree.

I think it's very critical to get a deposit when the contract is signed.
That way you have *something* in the bank in the event of a cancellation. As
you have pointed out before, these deals are not usually worth bringing to
court. It's better to keep the 25% you have than to chase the 100% you
don't.

In regards to court based on my limited personal experience in this area, I
believe judges will try to do what's fair and equitable regardless of the
contract. In other words if they cancel 30 days in advance *and* you book
another gig for that night for the same amount of money, would the judge
still allow you to collect the full amount? I know in real estate rentals,
if somebody breaks the lease early you won't be allowed to collect full rent
from them if the apartment is rented to someone else. You also have to
attempt to rent it out. Maybe Brian can chime in on this.

FYI, caterers and florists typically have a pro-rated system for
cancellations. The farther out you are from the date of the event, the less
money you owe.

> 2) "Extra performance time beyond the above listed may be requested for an
> additional fee of $x00.00 per additional hour".
>
> I friggin HATE playing over,

I guess this answers my question about why you called it a "fuck you" fee.
Why do you hate playing over? Playing is the fun part for me. I hate
driving, setting up, and tearing down. If it's not going to keep me out too
late, I don't mind playing an extra few songs. Anymore than that I want to
be paid. Then again, I'm a weekend warrior. If I gigged several nights per
week every week for my livelihood, I might see it another way.

Of course, I *agree* with you about including it in the contract. I'm adding
it to the one I use. It totally slipped my mind.

> 3) "Employer agrees to provide adequate space for set up and performance
> of
> a musical group, and to provide adequate lighting and electrical outlets."

Do you ever specify power requirements?

[Jim Carr]

"coreybenson" <coreybenson@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> #2 is the "when payment will be due" - I make weddings pay 50% up
> front, non-refundable if they cancel after a certain date. Balance is
> due WHEN WE APPEAR at the venue. I've had too many Fathers of the
> Bride situations - "What do you mean you can't play Moon River?"
> "We're a 70's rock band!" "Well, I'm not payin' unless'n ya do!"

That's an excellent point. That's also one reason why my contract points to
a listing of the songs we play. Non-musicians, God bless 'em, often think we
can play anything. After all, David Letterman's band plays new songs every
night. Well, we *can* play anything, but not always off the top of our
heads.

My contract referenced the song list on our website, but perhaps it could be
an addendum to the contract with something like, "The band will be prepared
to play any of the songs on the attached song list. The band at their
discretion may perform other songs not appearing on this list. Requests for
the band to learn and perform any other songs will be negotiated and agreed
upon in advance and be covered under a separate contract. The band does not
guarantee it will be able to perform any songs not listed herein."

> The only other point I'd like to see mentioned would be the rain date
> info. If it's an outdoor venue, it's not the BAND'S fault God decided
> the flowers needed a drink, and the cancelletion should be at the
> discretion of the people most likely to be electrocuted! (For those of
> you playing the home game, that means the band!)

That's another good point. I didn't indicate in my version *who* gets to
cancel due to weather. It will now.

We had an outdoor gig scheduled in January here in Phoenix. Usually, that's
not an issue, but in this case it got unusually cold. We insisted that we
move inside, and they made room for us. Lots of people stayed outside near
the fires, but my hands would have locked up in that kind of cold. So maybe
this section could include something about possibly moving indoors as well.

This also brings to mind another point: Safety. The weather can be
dangerous, but so can being faced with third world electrical wiring or
being located so close to the water that we could get splashed. Perhaps we
need a section on being able to cancel due to safety reasons.

[Jim Carr]

"Brian Running" <brunning@XXameritechXX.net> wrote in message
news:MM6_h.18438$Kd3.10973@newssvr27.news.prodigy. net...
> Here's an idea I just had while talking to Corey Benson, and I think this
> could be useful to everyone here.

Thanks again for doing this.

Here are a few other ideas that popped into my head.

Advertising - Do people balk at allowing the band to have business cards on
display? At a private event that's all I'm comfortable with doing. I don't
like the idea of putting out e-mail sign-up lists or fliers about upcoming
gigs. I don't like announcing our website either. Our singer and I disagree
on this. I think it's bad form at a private event - he doesn't. I don't know
if this is worth covering in a contract, but I do know that if *I* hired a
band for the wedding, I wouldn't be happy if they tried to promote
themselves. Maybe it's just a band thing.

Merchandise Sales - For private events, you wouldn't do this at all IMHO. At
a club should this be covered in some way?

Noise Ordinances - For outdoor gigs at private homes we always tell them
about our understanding of the noise ordinances and recommend they contact
their neighbors in advance even if they are not inviting them. Would it be
useful to include a paragraph saying that the customer is responsible for
being familiar with the noise ordinances and are the ones liable for any
fines?

Freebird Clause - Employer will ensure that no requests are made for the
song "Freebird". Each request for "Freebird" will incur a $15 fine. A the
band's discretion the band will play "Freebird" for an additional $500 and
waive the fines.

Load-in and Load-out Times - At a corporate gig once we couldn't load out
until two hours after the performance. It wasn't a problem because we knew
this in advance and were paid accordingly, but it might be worth have
another section covering this.

Attire - I've never done a formal wedding, but I'm guessing that in some
instances how the band dresses would be worth covering.

Language - I know my sister would be fucking pissed off as shit if she hired
a band that used "bathroom talk" in any of their songs or banter on stage.

Tambourine Clause - Spanking with tambourines will be permitted only at the
band's discretion.

Performance Rights and Royalties - Should this even be mentioned at a
private event? Does anybody really go out and pay the licensing? I would
think at a club it should be noted that this is their responsibility.

Specific Requests - I'm thinking of things like thanking a sponsor at a
corporate gig, reading announcements, allowing a specific person to use a
microphone, that sort of thing.

I know this is a lot of stuff, but you said you were looking to make it
somewhat modular so we could pick and choose what we needed.

[Angus]

>
> The most important portion of the contract is the cancellation
> portion, as far as I'm concerned.

What about a limitation of liabilities? What if the band has to cancel, or
simply doesn't show up at the gig?

Some well connected, pissed off father-of-the bride could pull something
like this:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/05/03/missing.pants.ap/index.html

I'd suggest adding blurbiage specifying that the maximum compensation would
be the amount of the fee for the gig.

David

[ptooner]

"Jim Carr" <newsgroups@azwebpages.com> wrote in message
news:m8W_h.137739$2Q1.123022@newsfe16.lga...
> "Brian Running" <brunning@XXameritechXX.net> wrote in message
> news:MM6_h.18438$Kd3.10973@newssvr27.news.prodigy. net...
>> Here's an idea I just had while talking to Corey Benson, and I think this
>> could be useful to everyone here.
>
> Thanks again for doing this.
>
> Here are a few other ideas that popped into my head.
>
> Advertising - Do people balk at allowing the band to have business cards
> on display? At a private event that's all I'm comfortable with doing. I
> don't like the idea of putting out e-mail sign-up lists or fliers about
> upcoming gigs. I don't like announcing our website either. Our singer and
> I disagree on this. I think it's bad form at a private event - he doesn't.
> I don't know if this is worth covering in a contract, but I do know that
> if *I* hired a band for the wedding, I wouldn't be happy if they tried to
> promote themselves. Maybe it's just a band thing.

FWIW, I'm 180 on this one. I don't use an email sign up, but I don't work
anywhere without putting out business cards. If it's a good gig and you
want more like it it's the perfect place to advertise. I don't have a
problem about the fliers although I don't usually have them. If I did, I'd
use them.

>
> Merchandise Sales - For private events, you wouldn't do this at all IMHO.
> At a club should this be covered in some way?

I ALWAYS do this, but not as high profile as at a public event. They nearly
always come up on break and ask about cds don't they?? We don't normally
push our t-shirts etc. at private events unless they are very large or
particularly outdoors.

>
> Noise Ordinances - For outdoor gigs at private homes we always tell them
> about our understanding of the noise ordinances and recommend they contact
> their neighbors in advance even if they are not inviting them. Would it be
> useful to include a paragraph saying that the customer is responsible for
> being familiar with the noise ordinances and are the ones liable for any
> fines?

YES!!!!

>
> Freebird Clause - Employer will ensure that no requests are made for the
> song "Freebird". Each request for "Freebird" will incur a $15 fine. A the
> band's discretion the band will play "Freebird" for an additional $500 and
> waive the fines.
>
> Load-in and Load-out Times - At a corporate gig once we couldn't load out
> until two hours after the performance. It wasn't a problem because we knew
> this in advance and were paid accordingly, but it might be worth have
> another section covering this.

Excellent point!

>
> Attire - I've never done a formal wedding, but I'm guessing that in some
> instances how the band dresses would be worth covering.

I have done many formal weddings, and it is just assumed the band will dress
appropriately. I am a little loathe to putting anything about it in a
contract, though. I think it could only be used against you.

>
> Language - I know my sister would be fucking pissed off as shit if she
> hired a band that used "bathroom talk" in any of their songs or banter on
> stage.
>
> Tambourine Clause - Spanking with tambourines will be permitted only at
> the band's discretion.
>
> Performance Rights and Royalties - Should this even be mentioned at a
> private event? Does anybody really go out and pay the licensing? I would
> think at a club it should be noted that this is their responsibility.

I think our lawyers can better address this, but I think it's mandatory for
all contracts.?

>
> Specific Requests - I'm thinking of things like thanking a sponsor at a
> corporate gig, reading announcements, allowing a specific person to use a
> microphone, that sort of thing.
>
> I know this is a lot of stuff, but you said you were looking to make it
> somewhat modular so we could pick and choose what we needed.
>
Gerry

[dew]

If you were the Father of the Bride, would you sign a contract with a band
that had that clause in it? Think about it - if your daughter is getting
married and you're hiring a band, and they include a clause in the contract
that in essence says "If we chance upon a better gig for that day, we'll pay
you back our fee and nothing else, and it's just too bad you're suddenly up
Shit Creek the day before the wedding" - would you sign that band or look
for someone else? Same thing if you're the HR person hiring a band for a
corporate event. I agree with the idea of trying to limit damages from going
beyond the ridiculous such as in that CNN story, but on the other side of
the coin, I wouldn't hire a band who contractually tells me I could be
screwed at their whimsy because they stand absolutely nothing to lose if
they shaft me at any point along the way.

Just my two cents...

David the A.G.B. Lurker...


"Angus" <angusporridge@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eqydnYt4LokBEaHbnZ2dnUVZ_ruknZ2d@magma.ca...
> >
> > The most important portion of the contract is the cancellation
> > portion, as far as I'm concerned.
>
> What about a limitation of liabilities? What if the band has to cancel, or
> simply doesn't show up at the gig?
>
> Some well connected, pissed off father-of-the bride could pull something
> like this:
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/05/03/missing.pants.ap/index.html
>
> I'd suggest adding blurbiage specifying that the maximum compensation
would
> be the amount of the fee for the gig.
>
> David
>
>

[Brian Running]

> In this case, Jim and I were each trying to help.

Yeah, Mike, but we all know where this is going, don't we?

[Brian Running]

> Why do you call it a "fuck you" fee? I'm all in favor of charging for the
> extra time and for giving the band the option to decline, but why the
> negative attitude?

Oh, for cryin' out loud -- here we go. See, Mike, didn't I tell you?

[js]

I guess I should explain for the non New Yorkers...

A "Fuck You" fee isn't negative It actually enhances your freedom by giving
you the ability to walk away with no harm, no foul.

It is high enough to discourage 95% of the people from asking you to do
something you really don't want to but are already semi-obligated to do.
It's also high enough to compensate you handsomely should they by some
chance agree. In other words, it either saves you from having to back the
drunken brother in law while he sings "Proud Mary" in two keys at once, or
it makes the experience more than bearable. Either way it's win win.

Got a guitar repairman buddy who does the same thing. He charges $20 PER
STRING to change strings. He charges $50 just to tune any guitar. Same
principle.

There is also the concept of "Fuck You money" - not being "rich" per se,
but having enough money to turn down projects that you really don't want to
do. Again, same principle.

I guess "Fuck You" would translate to "Why I'm honored, bless your heart,
but no thank you. Care for some sweet tea?" In the Flyovervillian dialect.
--
Check out my band, West Eats Meat http://www.myspace.com/westeatsmeat

My Homepage, Back By Popular Demand: http://www.jmsjazz.com

"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it
comes out."

- Bill Hicks









"Jim Carr" <newsgroups@azwebpages.com> wrote in message
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> "js" <NOSPAM@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:463a6b5f$0$15096$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> > Hence the term "may".
> >
> > And the exorbitantly large "Fuck You" fee.
>
> Why do you call it a "fuck you" fee? I'm all in favor of charging for the
> extra time and for giving the band the option to decline, but why the
> negative attitude?
>
>

[Jim Carr]

"Brian Running" <brunning@xxtdsxx.net> wrote in message
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>> Why do you call it a "fuck you" fee? I'm all in favor of charging for the
>> extra time and for giving the band the option to decline, but why the
>> negative attitude?
>
> Oh, for cryin' out loud -- here we go. See, Mike, didn't I tell you?

Oh, my! Let's not let a thread of interest to Brian go off-topic. Heaven
forbid! Lord knows *he* never goes off topic or gets into pissing matches.

[Misifus]

Mike Rieves wrote:
> "Brian Running" <brunning@xxtdsxx.net> wrote in message
> news:5Ij_h.34126$G23.31425@newsreading01.news.tds. net...
>> Mike Rieves wrote:
>>> "Jim Carr" <newsgroups@azwebpages.com> wrote in message
>> Would you two numbskulls please do me a favor and keep your weird little
>> Jim and Mike Show out of this thread, it's on-topic, potentially useful to
>> actual bass players, and there are plenty of other threads going on for
>> you two to perform your bizarre courtship ritual in. Thank you in
>> advance.
>
> In this case, Jim and I were each trying to help. I wasn't arguing with
> Jim, just pointing out that back when I was doing this sort of thing
> (admittedly, a long time ago) clubs normally didn't allow bands to drink
> alcohol during performances.
> As for band contracts, there are some here: http://www.musiccontracts.com/
> and here: http://www.blues101.org/articles/contracts.htm, and there are lots
> of others on the Net. You might want to take a look at them for suggestions.
>
>


Back when I was on the road, also a long time ago, we always drank on
stage, just not too much because we were too busy playing, and we knew
better than to get shit-faced.

-Raf

--
Misifus-
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mailto:rafseibert@suddenlink.net
blog: http://rafsrincon.blogspot.com/
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home: http://www.rafandsioux.com

[Mike Rieves]

"Brian Running" <brunning@xxtdsxx.net> wrote in message
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>> Why do you call it a "fuck you" fee? I'm all in favor of charging for the
>> extra time and for giving the band the option to decline, but why the
>> negative attitude?
>
> Oh, for cryin' out loud -- here we go. See, Mike, didn't I tell you?

Why are you yelling at me? I'm not in this. It's between Jim and js. I
said everything I wanted to say and I'm through in this thread.

[Angus]

"dew" wrote:
>
> I agree with the idea of trying to limit damages from going
> beyond the ridiculous such as in that CNN story, but on the other side of
> the coin, I wouldn't hire a band who contractually tells me I could be
> screwed at their whimsy because they stand absolutely nothing to lose if
> they shaft me at any point along the way.

Hence a limitation of liabilities (e.g., the band can't be sued for more
than the $ amount of the contract), rather than a waiver.

Contracts are really only useful with things go wrong, and should spell out
exactly what happens in every imaginable case. Shit happens; people get into
accidents, drummers get drunk, God smites bass players who covet too much...

You're right that the FOB might find it offputting though... Perhaps making
it a mutual limitation, written in some first class legalese, would
obfuscate it enough.

David

[dew]

> exactly what happens in every imaginable case. Shit happens; people get
into
> accidents, drummers get drunk, God smites bass players who covet too
much...

Or all of the above, on what used to seem like an all too-regular basis!

David

PS - I like your solution - reminds me of the tag line on my electronic
signature at work:

"Eschew obfuscation"


"Angus" <angusporridge@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FN6dnXiVY6kGnKPbnZ2dnUVZ_qemnZ2d@magma.ca...
> "dew" wrote:
> >
> > I agree with the idea of trying to limit damages from going
> > beyond the ridiculous such as in that CNN story, but on the other side
of
> > the coin, I wouldn't hire a band who contractually tells me I could be
> > screwed at their whimsy because they stand absolutely nothing to lose if
> > they shaft me at any point along the way.
>
> Hence a limitation of liabilities (e.g., the band can't be sued for more
> than the $ amount of the contract), rather than a waiver.
>
> Contracts are really only useful with things go wrong, and should spell
out
> exactly what happens in every imaginable case. Shit happens; people get
into
> accidents, drummers get drunk, God smites bass players who covet too
much...
>
> You're right that the FOB might find it offputting though... Perhaps
making
> it a mutual limitation, written in some first class legalese, would
> obfuscate it enough.
>
> David
>
>

[Brian Running]

> Oh, my! Let's not let a thread of interest to Brian go off-topic. Heaven
> forbid! Lord knows *he* never goes off topic or gets into pissing matches.

If all you and Mike did with each other is go off-topic, that would be
different. That's not what you do, though. As for me, the best I can
tell you is that I don't have my own web page where I post long,
detailed descriptions of how other newsgroup posters are wrong. Know
what I mean, Jim?

[Mike Hanson]

On May 7, 8:41 pm, Brian Running <brunn...@XXameritechXX.net> wrote:
> > Oh, my! Let's not let a thread of interest to Brian go off-topic. Heaven
> > forbid! Lord knows *he* never goes off topic or gets into pissing matches.
>
> If all you and Mike did with each other is go off-topic, that would be
> different. That's not what you do, though. As for me, the best I can
> tell you is that I don't have my own web page where I post long,
> detailed descriptions of how other newsgroup posters are wrong. Know
> what I mean, Jim?

Moving on...

Do you have what you need yet? I think it's a great project and I'm
sorry I can't contribute. Have you emailed any former members? I'm
sure there would be some pearls there...
--
Mike.

[Brian Running]

> Moving on...

Yes, thank you. Sorry 'bout that.

> Do you have what you need yet? I think it's a great project and I'm
> sorry I can't contribute. Have you emailed any former members? I'm
> sure there would be some pearls there...

I figure I've gotten all the answers I'm going to get, and it's all good
stuff. I plan to put together the contract this evening, after supper.

[Jay S]

"Brian Running" <brunning@XXameritechXX.net> wrote in message
news:RKJ%h.16952$YL5.2421@newssvr29.news.prodigy.n et...
>> Moving on...
>
> Yes, thank you. Sorry 'bout that.
>
>> Do you have what you need yet? I think it's a great project and I'm
>> sorry I can't contribute. Have you emailed any former members? I'm
>> sure there would be some pearls there...
>
> I figure I've gotten all the answers I'm going to get, and it's all good
> stuff. I plan to put together the contract this evening, after supper.

I would have contributed but everyone already touched the bases
(basses?)that I would have covered.
There are a few gems in one contract for a band i play with that include:

No dogs (particularly during load in)
why do sound guys always bring some big stinky dog with them?

Meals must include some sort of dead animal (no vegetarian meals)

No one is permitted backstage unless they are on "the list"
There is an exception for big breasted ladies.

don't flame me...I didn't write it

Jay S

[Mike Fleming]

In article <2tR%h.10632$Vi6.1934@edtnps82>, "Jay S"
<IdontLikeSpamjay-stevens@telus.netspamsucksass> writes:

> I would have contributed but everyone already touched the bases
> (basses?)that I would have covered.
> There are a few gems in one contract for a band i play with that include:
>
> No dogs (particularly during load in)
> why do sound guys always bring some big stinky dog with them?
>
> Meals must include some sort of dead animal (no vegetarian meals)
>
> No one is permitted backstage unless they are on "the list"
> There is an exception for big breasted ladies.

Some excellent guidance to the contents of the requirements section
can be found here:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/backstagetour/iggypop/iggypop1.html

--
Mike Fleming

[5 String]

Mike Fleming wrote:
>
> Some excellent guidance to the contents of the requirements section
> can be found here:
>
> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/backstagetour/iggypop/iggypop1.html
>
good thing i wasn't consuming any sort of beverage.........

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[tycohen]

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[JoeSpareBedroom]

"tycohen" <tycohen.3iurac@ebassist.no.spam.com> wrote in message
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>
> Music contracts, forms & agreements from MusicContracts101.com the music
> industry's #1 source of professional, fill-in-the-blank music business
> contracts. Visit them now, Protect Your Music, Protect Yourself... Get
> It In Writing!
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6kyeyx
>
>
> --
> tycohen


How about posting the real link? Here's the result of following the tiny
version:

URL Terminated
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terms of use. TinyURL has a strict no abuse policy and we apologize for the
intrusion this user has caused you. Such violations of our terms of use
include:

a.. Spam - Unsolicited Bulk E-mail
b.. Fraud or Money Making scams
c.. Malware
d.. or any other use that is illegal.

[Mike Rieves]

"tycohen" <tycohen.3iurac@ebassist.no.spam.com> wrote in message
news:tycohen.3iurac@ebassist.no.spam.com...
>
> Music contracts, forms & agreements from MusicContracts101.com the music
> industry's #1 source of professional, fill-in-the-blank music business
> contracts. Visit them now, Protect Your Music, Protect Yourself... Get
> It In Writing!
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6kyeyx
>
>
> --
> tycohen

Not necessary, Brian Running, who is an attorney, helped the folks here up
with some very nice music contracts. Maybe you should just pedal your spam
elsewhere...